Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)

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And RT could?

It is an undisputed fact that even the most advanced scientists in his era and locale were not aware of these phenomena. Those in Spain and Arabia were at least theoretically aware (according to the author this is the reason the Rambam and other Sefardi Rishonim disagree).

The same cannot be said for R’ Aharon.

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Before Riskin went off the deep end, he learned in YOB and was close to Rav Manis Mandel. Later on Rav Manis would say that he had had 2 sons named Shloma (his son Rav Shloma Mandel is currently head of YOB), “one I’m very proud of, and one I sat shiva for.”

Anyone he davens with Christians, so he makes talking in shul look like a joke.

It's just a line I lifted.... It's a thought I had that could explain carbon dating ..

Why does יום need to be a 24 hour day In creation? Time and space didn't exist ..

[zh cohen]

It's just a line I lifted.... It's a thought I had that could explain carbon dating ..

Why does יום need to be a 24 hour day In creation? Time and space didn't exist ..

Because it has halachic implications. We keep Shabbos after 6 24-hour days, not 6 timeless days.

[imayid2]

Why does יום need to be a 24 hour day In creation? Time and space didn't exist ..

So why isn’t shabbos every couple million years?
Also the Gemara chagiga 12a sounds otherwise.

This guy tries to work it out
https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/age-of-the-universe

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I don't get what you gain by saying that time was stretched or that it wasn't a literal six days. You just move the question from one thing to the other. Let's say it was stretched out, why would hashem do that why not create it all pre-aged?

I prefer a literal 6 days. As for the science, I agree it's a good question. But it's not enough to disturb my faith.

Btw I think there's an age of the universe thread here someplace.

ETA to clarify my question. It seems like God is bound to certain rules if it's that way

[imayid2]

I don't get what you gain by saying that time was stretched or that it wasn't a literal six days. You just move the question from one thing to the other. Let's say it was stretched out, why would hashem do that why not create it all pre-aged?

I prefer a literal 6 days. As for the science, I agree it's a good question. But it's not enough to disturb my faith.

Btw I think there's an age of the universe thread here someplace.

ETA to clarify my question. It seems like God is bound to certain rules if it's that way

I do not understand your question at all. You gain in being able to shtim things which appear older to the biblical narrative.

Why Hashem did it it a specific way is a question either way and one that isn’t being attempted to be answered.

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I don't have an issue with Shabbat.

Yom is currently 24 hour days
Yom in creation could have been 1 billion years
The sun wasn't created till day 4

How could the trees have survived without the sun is a question?

All life depends on the sun

I just don't see why we need to hold firm the 24 hour  notion and then scoff at carbon dating.

We can simply accept that creation was before the current concept of time

[imayid2]

I just don't see why we need to hold firm the 24 hour  notion

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So why couldn't the first day be 1 billion years till 24 hours was set forth?

[imayid2]

So why couldn't the first day be 1 billion years till 24 hours was set forth?

Interesting proposition. Perhaps.
But it won’t explain animal fossils etc since animals weren’t created the first day.

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Sefaria had one peirush that mentioned that yom doesn't occur till #4 of the asara maamaros

Gra commentary on Avos

בעשרה מאמרות כו'. ואלו הם בראשית. ויאמר אלהים יהי אור. ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע. ויאמר אלקים יקוו. ויאמר אלקים תדשא. יהי מארת. ישרצו המים. תוציא הארץ. נעשה אדם. הנה נתתי. ופרו ורבו הוא ציוי. וברכה:


I don't have answers but closing the door on anything and everything isn't an answer?

[imayid2]

I don't have answers but closing the door on anything and everything isn't an answer?

Not sure who closed the door. There are a range of suggestions about this age old question. They do have to be theologically tenable though.

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I do not understand your question at all. You gain in being able to shtim things which appear older to the biblical narrative.

Why Hashem did it it a specific way is a question either way and one that isn’t being attempted to be answered.

I'll try to write down what bothers me in a different way.
The only reason to take the evolutionary approach is because it seems extremely weird that so much matches the accepted evolutionary approach but still say it didn't happen.
To me it seems equally weird to say that the world evolved and still say that it was God who was doing things.

Am I not making any sense?

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I'll try to write down what bothers me in a different way.
The only reason to take the evolutionary approach is because it seems extremely weird that so much matches the accepted evolutionary approach but still say it didn't happen.
To me it seems equally weird to say that the world evolved and still say that it was God who was doing things.

Am I not making any sense?

I hear your point regarding evolution though I don't think I agree. Either way, I wasn't talking about evolution rather the age of the universe which is not the same thing.

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I hear your point regarding evolution though I don't think I agree. Either way, I wasn't talking about evolution rather the age of the universe which is not the same thing.

Agree here, evolution and age of universe are different ..

Age of universe is a step for the evolution argument ....

I don't think we'd have a problem saying that our ancestors could be from Homo erectus?

I dunno the Torah is full of stuff like the giants and what not .

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Anyone know who Rabbi Avrohom Y. H. Kirsch is - a Dayan from brooklyn or Rav Avrohom Notis from Lancaster?
Curious about who they are as I saw their name on a Siruv (I think its called) against a bes din in lkwd with a heter arkaos against a dayan they named.
They used some strong language

I would post the notice just not sure if I should...

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Anyone know who Rabbi Avrohom Y. H. Kirsch is - a Dayan from brooklyn or Rav Avrohom Notis from Lancaster?
Curious about who they are as I saw their name on a Siruv (I think its called) against a bes din in lkwd with a heter arkaos against a dayan they named.
They used some strong language

I would post the notice just not sure if I should...

That goes in the Lakewood thread or any gossip thread.

Please keep me kefira thread LH free unless they've been dead for 25 years

[theblakdavid]

That goes in the Lakewood thread or any gossip thread.

Please keep my kefira thread LH free unless they've been dead for 25 years

Haha
A bes din signing usually isnt LH but I take it you dont know them
Just wondering  what they do- no judgement

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Haha
A bes din signing usually isnt LH but I take it you dont know them
Just wondering  what they do- no judgement

As like when Galileo got dragged before the inquisition? I don't think batei dinim get involved in hashkafa debates...

[Yosel]

Anyone know who Rabbi Avrohom Y. H. Kirsch is - a Dayan from brooklyn or Rav Avrohom Notis from Lancaster?
Curious about who they are as I saw their name on a Siruv (I think its called) against a bes din in lkwd with a heter arkaos against a dayan they named.
They used some strong language

I would post the notice just not sure if I should...

he distributes freely and easily. its worthless..............