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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #150 on: February 26, 2018, 11:34:08 AM »
But it wasn't and I apologize. But the constant attacks on me are as stupid. I just have a lot of questions and maybe lots of uncomfortable ideas but I also have rabbinic guidance in my life.. (renowned rabbanim for that matter)  to say that I'm a heretic because I ask questions is quite silly.

Any ways, this should have been in general discussion in appropriate thread.. Apologies. Grateful to @cmey

Looked up the chazon ish. Though I'll stick with the rambams comments on achiya hashiloni as the one that lived very long.

Does it mean, the others didn't?  No.. Do I find it hard to believe?  I'll just echo the radak " ze rachok meod" maybe they did.. But apparently it's not relevant unless they hide some missing Torah we want to uncover
your questions are perfectly fine. your way of asking it is very much not so.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #151 on: February 26, 2018, 12:32:04 PM »
your questions are perfectly fine. your way of asking it is very much not so.
+1.

Additionally, not all criticism of what you write is an attack. It's an extremely valuable trait to have, to be able to accept criticism without feeling attacked. It allows one to respond with a cool head, sometimes seeing the other point of view, and reaching amicable resolution much faster.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #152 on: February 26, 2018, 12:42:08 PM »
+1.

Additionally, not all criticism of what you write is an attack. It's an extremely valuable trait to have, to be able to accept criticism without feeling attacked. It allows one to respond with a cool head, sometimes seeing the other point of view, and reaching amicable resolution much faster.

For me the, the irony is that I get attacked for not having respect for torah, chazal, halacha.

Yet I spend a premium on kosher wines precisely because I accept Halacha.

Maybe we dont see eye to eye on bugs, but then again I have a lot of halachik support for my practices there.

As much as criticism is important, so is being able to accept that people practice judaism differently.

Yet to me, the #1 thing that pisses me off is, talking in shull. I never ever saw any one any where write that its OK to shmooze during kaddish or chazaras hashatz, or krias hatorah.. yet its quite normal.


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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #154 on: February 26, 2018, 12:46:53 PM »
Yet to me, the #1 thing that pisses me off is, talking in shull. I never ever saw any one any where write that its OK to shmooze during kaddish or chazaras hashatz, or krias hatorah.. yet its quite normal.

I fully understand you and probably mostly agree on this one. I think @hvaces42 is missing the point when he talks about it being disturbing. It's about making Yiddishkeit real. If one indeed believes what a shul is, and what davening is, talking during davening in shul is just incomprehensible (to put it mildly). I have on occasion taken this to an extreme, stating that I cannot understand why a person that talks in shul should expect their children to keep Shabbos or Kashrus.

That being said, it's probably best to find a Barditchever style approach towards those that talk, and rather than fight it, try to enlighten and educate.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #155 on: February 26, 2018, 12:53:24 PM »
I fully understand you and probably mostly agree on this one. I think @hvaces42 is missing the point when he talks about it being disturbing. It's about making Yiddishkeit real. If one indeed believes what a shul is, and what davening is, talking during davening in shul is just incomprehensible (to put it mildly). I have on occasion taken this to an extreme, stating that I cannot understand why a person that talks in shul should expect their children to keep Shabbos or Kashrus.

That being said, it's probably best to find a Barditchever style approach towards those that talk, and rather than fight it, try to enlighten and educate.

I have tried the berdichiver approach. Ate by a guy in rechavia Herzog, told me he used to tell every one to be quiet, wrote to the Rebbe, letter in igros was "you should focus on what you need to do, not what others do"

Talking in shull during prayers makes me question yiras shamayim. Does this person believe in tefilla ? Does he know he is a chote umechate.. he is implicating the person he talks to, disturbs the tefillah, the shull decorum, the sanctity of a mikdash me'at, disrespects the Rav and as per many places ive read, taints the tefillah of the tzibur.


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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #156 on: February 26, 2018, 01:02:43 PM »
Yet to me, the #1 thing that pisses me off is, talking in shull. I never ever saw any one any where write that its OK to shmooze during kaddish or chazaras hashatz, or krias hatorah.. yet its quite normal.
I love shuls/minyanim where everyone comes in knowing the rules and wanting to be part of a place where there is no extraneous talking. Unfortunately in Willowbrook SI there just aren't (m)any (though the young married minyan upstairs in the young israel is pretty good). We had our annual Yachad shabbaton this past shabbos BH in our noisy main shul at the Young Israel. there were kids laughing, screaming etc. at random parts of davening, and several talked a lot to the people they were with. like every year, that does not disturb my davening. though i usually go to a different friday night minyan, i especially go to that minyan, and my davening is always better.

U get disturbed if you want to get disturbed/if u let it disturb u. If u realized that most of the shmo's who walk in late and just talk from start to finish were just as needy and vulnerable as the yachad kids (and perhaps anusim too), your prayers for them might be even better than without such distractions.

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #157 on: February 26, 2018, 01:04:50 PM »
I was just reminded of Moshe's prayers to Hashem while battling amalek, i'm sure it was pretty noisy, but I'm sure he used the noise to enhance his prayer. We arent going to stop talking it shul, its been there since shul started.

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #158 on: February 26, 2018, 02:06:59 PM »
For me the, the irony is that I get attacked for not having respect for torah, chazal, halacha.

Yet I spend a premium on kosher wines precisely because I accept Halacha.

Maybe we dont see eye to eye on bugs, but then again I have a lot of halachik support for my practices there.

As much as criticism is important, so is being able to accept that people practice judaism differently.

Yet to me, the #1 thing that pisses me off is, talking in shull. I never ever saw any one any where write that its OK to shmooze during kaddish or chazaras hashatz, or krias hatorah.. yet its quite normal.
oh, so your the guy with the “stop talking in shul” campaign?

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #159 on: February 26, 2018, 02:09:26 PM »
For me the, the irony is that I get attacked for not having respect for torah, chazal, halacha.

Yet I spend a premium on kosher wines precisely because I accept Halacha.

Maybe we dont see eye to eye on bugs, but then again I have a lot of halachik support for my practices there.

As much as criticism is important, so is being able to accept that people practice judaism differently.

Yet to me, the #1 thing that pisses me off is, talking in shull. I never ever saw any one any where write that its OK to shmooze during kaddish or chazaras hashatz, or krias hatorah.. yet its quite normal.
Agreed, neither have I ever seen it was OK to scratch your leg in middle d avenging, and still it's quite normal
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #160 on: February 26, 2018, 02:18:06 PM »
oh, so your the guy with the “stop talking in shul” campaign?

my brother actually.. I stick to food and wine.. its my mitzvah kashrut campaign

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #161 on: February 26, 2018, 02:19:01 PM »
I have tried the berdichiver approach. Ate by a guy in rechavia Herzog, told me he used to tell every one to be quiet, wrote to the Rebbe, letter in igros was "you should focus on what you need to do, not what others do"
Is that the blogger from Passaic?

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #162 on: February 26, 2018, 02:20:02 PM »
Agreed, neither have I ever seen it was OK to scratch your leg in middle d avenging, and still it's quite normal

Are you being serious ? im assuming not

But, in one country (moroco?) I heard that if you crossed your legs in shull. the gabbai would hit your leg with a stick

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #163 on: February 26, 2018, 02:20:33 PM »
Is that the blogger from Passaic?

Herzog? no he lives in rechavia, lubavitcher

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #164 on: February 26, 2018, 02:22:50 PM »


my brother actually.. I stick to food and wine.. its my mitzvah kashrut campaign
At least you aren't necessarily on an agenda
Are you being serious ? im assuming not

But, in one country (moroco?) I heard that if you crossed your legs in shull. the gabbai would hit your leg with a stick
So lets hang up signs, and piss the h*ll out of everyone not to cross their legs
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