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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #195 on: February 26, 2018, 11:35:52 PM »
Again, its not emuna.. But yes we can discuss, was matan torah a physical event or ruach hakodesh revelation?

@ExGingi  B'shaa shekidmu...Oh I learned Samach vav ;) I have a good memory, any maamer I ever learned I can give over.

Any ways, are we to assume these are physical crowns ? if yes, where are they.

I am just saying in general, I dont think everything is meant to be taken literally..


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The contents of the Ark has been debated through the centuries. The general consensus is that the first tablets containing the Ten Commandments, which were broken by Moses, and the second tablets, which remained intact, were contained in the Ark (Bava Batra 14b). According to one opinion in the Talmud, both Tablets were together in the Ark; according to another, there were two Arks, and each contained one set of Tablets (Berakhot 8b).


So are there 2 ark's out there ? how many menorahs ?

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #196 on: February 27, 2018, 06:01:59 AM »
My grandfather and farher arent liars.
...and mine are?  ::)
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #197 on: February 27, 2018, 06:38:22 AM »
...and mine are?  ::)

Presumably not.  But what they tell you is that one or a few individuals received Divine Revelation.   The above argument is that while it is possible that one or a few individuals deceived their contemporaries in to believing that they had received Divine Revelation, it is highly unlikely that an entire nation colluded to deceive their children en mass.

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #198 on: February 27, 2018, 07:56:42 AM »
...and mine are?  ::)
Listen very closely to that argument. Its exactly why you're not jewish and I'm not Christian.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #199 on: February 27, 2018, 09:24:18 AM »
Listen very closely to that argument. Its exactly why you're not jewish and I'm not Christian.
The reason one of is Jewish and other is Catholic has nothing to do with stories we were told.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #200 on: February 27, 2018, 09:58:07 AM »
The reason one of is Jewish and other is Catholic has nothing to do with stories we were told.
Please enlighten us. Obviously, we are raised one way and we choose to either remain or change. But the reason we choose is grounded in faith. Faith that comes from an understanding of the founding principles of our religion. The "stories we are told" are the narrative that leads us to have faith in the portions of the religion that cannot be proven by the facts.

Again, my grandfather celebrated all the holidays because he saw his grandfather do it all the way back to the first such celebration, which pre-dates any celebration you will point to. So why do I need to rely on "stories we were told", its a live religion with currently celebrated holidays that were celebrated millenia ago.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #201 on: February 27, 2018, 10:18:57 AM »
There are plenty of online venues for this kind of stuff. Can someone please start another forum somewhere else called Bible/Talmud/Contemporary Halacha Criticism and Interfaith dialogue?
No reason this stuff belongs on DDF....
Dan, what if someone wants to start an adult site discussion thread?
Does anything go on DDF?

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #202 on: February 27, 2018, 10:30:10 AM »
There are plenty of online venues for this kind of stuff. Can someone please start another forum somewhere else called Bible/Talmud/Contemporary Halacha Criticism and Interfaith dialogue?
No reason this stuff belongs on DDF....
Dan, what if someone wants to start an adult site discussion thread?
Does anything go on DDF?

No one is criticizing, if anything, my issues are with people that focus too much on modern day chumros etc and ignore mesorah

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #203 on: February 27, 2018, 10:31:15 AM »
How in the world does keli reshon cook and cli sheni doesnt cook, Cook up oil and put it in a cli sheini then cook up water and keep it in kli reshon check the temp of both the oil kli shaini will be hotter.

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #204 on: February 27, 2018, 10:32:19 AM »
No one is criticizing, if anything, my issues are with people that focus too much on modern day chumros etc and ignore mesorah
There are venues for that too...

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #205 on: February 27, 2018, 10:35:49 AM »
The reason one of is Jewish and other is Catholic has nothing to do with stories we were told.

No, but the difference is, the giving of the torah, the exodus from egypt. Even witho5ut historical evidence, the torah gives us proof.

"Sha'al avicha v'yageidcha. Zikeinecha v'yomru lach"

Deuteronomy 32:7 7Remember the days of old; consider the generations long past. Ask your father and he will tell you, your elders, and they will explain to you.

The Torah gives over an unbroken chain. 600,000 left egypt, they stood before Mt Sinai. The torah tells us to carry this on generation to generation but also that there is proof..


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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #206 on: February 27, 2018, 10:36:28 AM »
There are venues for that too...

thats why its on JS

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #207 on: February 27, 2018, 11:00:07 AM »


Lots of things dont "make sense"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_years_(Jewish_calendar)

Rabbi Geizinsky in NMB has a book on it I was reading.

Letís start threads on that, eye for an eye, killing the 7 nations, etc etc, after all its JS.

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #208 on: February 27, 2018, 11:11:45 AM »
@ExGingi  B'shaa shekidmu...Oh I learned Samach vav ;) I have a good memory, any maamer I ever learned I can give over.
So those are a few things that where you are ahead of me.

Why don't you start a DDF shiur in Samach Vav? I would join.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #209 on: February 27, 2018, 12:35:10 PM »
So those are a few things that where you are ahead of me.

Why don't you start a DDF shiur in Samach Vav? I would join.
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