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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2018, 01:19:59 PM »
Shall we amend it to Judaic commentaries that don't make sense? 

Not a bad amendment, but that presumes that you understand everything and what they are saying makes no sense based on your understanding.

Torah "stuff" is also not optimal. How about "opinions", "shitas", "commentary(ies)" 
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2018, 01:22:06 PM »
That would be relevant to something I dont understand, this doesnt make sense.. but go ahead and enlighten me
Astronomy, most sciences, and accounting make no sense to me either. Because I donít understand any of it.

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Re: Parts of Torah that I don't understand
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2018, 01:27:43 PM »
Either you can't read or I can't write.. I didn't say stuff in the Torah, I said Torah stuff... Shall we amend it to Judaic commentaries that don't make sense? 

I believe in god and that the Torah was redcived by Moshe from god at har Sinai. I also believe that Judaism demands questions and queries.

The inability to question Judaism and the Torah and demand explanations is a lack of faith... Faith is where I still believe even when I don't get the answers.

That, has nothing to do with my question on the rambam.

How about not putting yourself at the immovable center of everything, but rather go back to your OP and edit the title to indicate that the problem is with your understanding, rather than with Torah.

You should also be aware of the following: http://chabadlibrary.org/books/admur/hymym/3/6.htm

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Re: Parts of Torah that I don't understand
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2018, 01:38:53 PM »
How about not putting yourself at the immovable center of everything, but rather go back to your OP and edit the title to indicate that the problem is with your understanding, rather than with Torah.

You should also be aware of the following: http://chabadlibrary.org/books/admur/hymym/3/6.htm


i still maintain that what the rambam wrote makes no sense, unless we argue that Haggai lived to be 600.

Why don't you focus on the question at hand rather than getting lost taking pot shots at me

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Re: Parts of Torah that I don't understand
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2018, 01:41:32 PM »

i still maintain that what the rambam wrote makes no sense, unless we argue that Haggai lived to be 600.

Why don't you focus on the question at hand rather than getting lost taking pot shots at me

So you feel that putting yourself on par with the Rambam is OK, but suggesting that you make the title of the thread more appropriate for a believing Jew is "taking pot shots at [you]"?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2018, 01:43:39 PM »
How about not putting yourself at the immovable center of everything, but rather go back to your OP and edit the title to indicate that the problem is with your understanding, rather than with Torah.

You should also be aware of the following: http://chabadlibrary.org/books/admur/hymym/3/6.htm
I think it's safe to say we all understand that things may be our understanding and may seem to not make sense. I wouldn't focus on that aspect of how he worded things. It was already said that others thought the title should be changed. OP can choose to or not... I think we agree he was questioning the topics he brought up and wanted others to bring up ideas they too seem to not understand or maybe don't make sense to all us mortals. No need to harp on the title IMO. 
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2018, 01:44:10 PM »
Astronomy, most sciences, and accounting make no sense to me either. Because I donít understand any of it.
+1 I'm getting tiered of people on DDF posting their deep klotz kashes on many aspects of Torah and mesorah while being utterly clueless about the subject matter.
There's one guy who had the temerity to say he no longer believe in chazal because of his "questions", meanwhile he probably hasn't studied more than 25 pages of shas (and on a grade school level at that!). Pathetic.

OP apparently has the same machla, he reads some random books or blogs, (aka seforim chitzonim), then he has big klotz kashes, where things " don't make any sense", and sometimes should be totally "abolished".  All based on his finger nail deep immersive research..

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2018, 01:55:38 PM »
Astronomy, most sciences, and accounting make no sense to me either. Because I donít understand any of it.
So that gives you no right to question it?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2018, 02:01:29 PM »
So that gives you no right to question it?
Ummm
Please change title to ďTorah verses that I donít understandĒ
OP can question away all he wants, but with a modicum of respect
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2018, 02:01:49 PM »
So that gives you no right to question it?
His point is there is a difference between, not understanding, and not making sense. It's the choice of words that's the problem, not the question.
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2018, 02:03:14 PM »
So that gives you no right to question it?
Yes. But you can ask questions about it, not against it.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2018, 02:04:13 PM »
Yes. But you can ask questions about it, not against it.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2018, 02:09:00 PM »
His point is there is a difference between, not understanding, and not making sense. It's the choice of words that's the problem, not the question.
I fail to see the problem with not making sense. Isn't there things in all religions that don't make sense?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2018, 02:09:19 PM »
Keep learning. When you reach mesushelach's years you'll בע"ה understand.

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2018, 02:09:39 PM »
I fail to see the problem with not making sense. Isn't there things in all religions that don't make sense?
If it doesn't make sense to you, you don't understand it.
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2018, 02:12:03 PM »
Yes. But you can ask questions about it, not against it.
I don't want to be accused of you know what so I will ask it this way. For me that would mean I have to accept everything in the Bible as true?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2018, 02:15:53 PM »
I think it's safe to say we all understand that things may be our understanding and may seem to not make sense. I wouldn't focus on that aspect of how he worded things. It was already said that others thought the title should be changed. OP can choose to or not... I think we agree he was questioning the topics he brought up and wanted others to bring up ideas they too seem to not understand or maybe don't make sense to all us mortals. No need to harp on the title IMO.
It's not a matter on harping on a title. It's a matter of the framing of the discussion.

Is this a thread for someone with questions he's genuinely looking to find an answer for or someone looking to post things which make no sense, perhaps for the purposes of being argumentative, feeling intellectually superior or just smugness.

For the former, there's a reason for anyone to take the time to respond. For the latter, answering is like posting in the gun control or politics threads, or screaming loudly in an empty room.
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2018, 02:18:31 PM »
I don't want to be accused of you know what so I will ask it this way. For me that would mean I have to accept everything in the Bible as true?
More than true. The Word of G-d.

It is ironic that the OP was questioning an opinion of Rambam which, based on OP's understanding, made no sense, when Rambam is the one who set for the standard for belief in it being the Word of G-d, as written.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2018, 02:19:24 PM »
If it doesn't make sense to you, you don't understand it.
Isn't that something a gullible would say?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2018, 02:21:55 PM »
Isn't that something a gullible would say?
its כפירה if you actually think otherwise. I hope your being sarcastic