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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2018, 02:03:14 PM »
So that gives you no right to question it?
Yes. But you can ask questions about it, not against it.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2018, 02:04:13 PM »
Yes. But you can ask questions about it, not against it.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2018, 02:09:00 PM »
His point is there is a difference between, not understanding, and not making sense. It's the choice of words that's the problem, not the question.
I fail to see the problem with not making sense. Isn't there things in all religions that don't make sense?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2018, 02:09:19 PM »
Keep learning. When you reach mesushelach's years you'll בע"ה understand.

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2018, 02:09:39 PM »
I fail to see the problem with not making sense. Isn't there things in all religions that don't make sense?
If it doesn't make sense to you, you don't understand it.
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2018, 02:12:03 PM »
Yes. But you can ask questions about it, not against it.
I don't want to be accused of you know what so I will ask it this way. For me that would mean I have to accept everything in the Bible as true?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2018, 02:15:53 PM »
I think it's safe to say we all understand that things may be our understanding and may seem to not make sense. I wouldn't focus on that aspect of how he worded things. It was already said that others thought the title should be changed. OP can choose to or not... I think we agree he was questioning the topics he brought up and wanted others to bring up ideas they too seem to not understand or maybe don't make sense to all us mortals. No need to harp on the title IMO.
It's not a matter on harping on a title. It's a matter of the framing of the discussion.

Is this a thread for someone with questions he's genuinely looking to find an answer for or someone looking to post things which make no sense, perhaps for the purposes of being argumentative, feeling intellectually superior or just smugness.

For the former, there's a reason for anyone to take the time to respond. For the latter, answering is like posting in the gun control or politics threads, or screaming loudly in an empty room.
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2018, 02:18:31 PM »
I don't want to be accused of you know what so I will ask it this way. For me that would mean I have to accept everything in the Bible as true?
More than true. The Word of G-d.

It is ironic that the OP was questioning an opinion of Rambam which, based on OP's understanding, made no sense, when Rambam is the one who set for the standard for belief in it being the Word of G-d, as written.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2018, 02:19:24 PM »
If it doesn't make sense to you, you don't understand it.
Isn't that something a gullible would say?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2018, 02:21:55 PM »
Isn't that something a gullible would say?
its כפירה if you actually think otherwise. I hope your being sarcastic

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2018, 02:24:03 PM »
its כפירה if you actually think otherwise. I hope your being sarcastic
It was made as general comment.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2018, 02:24:52 PM »
Isn't that something a gullible would say?
sounds it. But if it can be explained, it's not the case. There is a limit of what I can explain, but @aygart can explain plenty more, and there are those out there who can understand and explain more then him
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2018, 02:25:39 PM »
Isn't that something a gullible would say?
I think it would better said as "If you can't explain it, you don't understand it".
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2018, 02:29:37 PM »
Yes. But you can ask questions about it, not against it.
That's why we first say "ein keilokeinu" and only then, once we've established that, do we ask "mi keilokeinu?"
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2018, 02:30:52 PM »
That's why we first say "ein keilokeinu" and only then, once we've established that, do we ask "mi keilokeinu?"
Wow never thought of that. Thanks for the insight
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