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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #330 on: March 06, 2018, 10:10:07 PM »
This is incorrect.

Those learning Daf Hayomi may want to take a look at an interesting tosfos on the bottom of 50a, todays Daf, where tosfos discusses the various items the Christians used and their status vis a vi takroves; the censors, the chalice, the vestments, the candles from Candlemas, etc. It is clear that tosfos, and the many rishonim who categorize some of the above as Meshamshei Avodas Kochavim ( Rosh, Ran, Nimukei Yosef, Mordechai, and many others) hold that it is classified as idol worship. These halachos are brought down in Shulchan Aruch YD 139 and the Rama concurs with these halachos as well. This is one of many clear indications that the often quoted Rama that shituf is allowed for a non Jew is an error. The Rama simply allows business dealing that may cause a non Jew to take an oath in the name of J, since some rishonim hold that professing such belief in an of itself is allowed for a non Jew. However there is no source in the rishonim that allows actuall worship of shituf for a non Jew whatsoever. This is included in the prohibition of Avodah Zara for a Ben Noach. This is the opinion of the overwhelming majority of achronim (pri megadim 156, Chadian Sofer ibid, Noda Biyehuda, etc.) This is clear from the aforementioned halachos in YD 139....
You left out the way the RMA ends that they are not mitzuve all hashituf.


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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #331 on: March 07, 2018, 04:13:14 PM »
Are you allowed to eat cooked meat after it has been frozen?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #332 on: March 07, 2018, 04:14:38 PM »
Are you allowed to eat cooked meat after it has been frozen?
That's Halacha, not Hashkofa, nor is it PC.
But the answer is yes.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #333 on: March 07, 2018, 04:16:14 PM »
What's the difference between Halacha and Hashkofa?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #334 on: March 07, 2018, 04:17:26 PM »
What's the difference between Halacha and Hashkofa?
That's a hard one. I believe you figured it out once somewhere. I'll let someone else answer tho.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #335 on: March 07, 2018, 04:19:16 PM »
What's the difference between Halacha and Hashkofa?
Halacha is the rules and regs. Hashkofa is the theology. This is a very general and rough answer.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #336 on: March 07, 2018, 04:21:01 PM »
Halacha is the rules and regs. Hashkofa is the theology. This is a very general and rough answer.
Although I'll quote R' Yisroel Belsky "Hashkofa is Halacha"
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #337 on: March 07, 2018, 04:21:40 PM »
Halacha is the rules and regs. Hashkofa is the theology. This is a very general and rough answer.
Would Hashkofa be more of a worldwide view? It changes over time?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #338 on: March 07, 2018, 04:22:19 PM »
Halacha is the rules and regs. Hashkofa is the theology. This is a very general and rough answer.
I'm sure you could come up with a better (even rough) translation for Hashkofa. I don't think theology is correct.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #339 on: March 07, 2018, 04:22:56 PM »
Would Hashkofa be more of a worldwide view? It changes over time?
That might be a dictionary translation. We are talking Torah based Hashkofa.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #340 on: March 07, 2018, 04:24:04 PM »
That might be a dictionary translation. We are talking Torah based Hashkofa.
So that would be a no?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #341 on: March 07, 2018, 04:26:55 PM »
You left out the way the RMA ends that they are not mitzuve all hashituf.



See the above mentioned achronim that the Rama meant that they are not metzuveh from proffering belief in shituf however they are muzhar to be physically  oved the shituf...

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #342 on: March 07, 2018, 04:32:36 PM »
So that would be a no?
There you go again. Expecting a Jew to give you a simple Yes or No. Or a single line translation of a Hebrew/Jewish term.

Some people never learn.  ;)
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #343 on: March 07, 2018, 04:35:19 PM »
There you go again. Expecting a Jew to give you a simple Yes or No. Or a single line translation of a Hebrew/Jewish term.

Some people never learn.  ;)
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #344 on: March 07, 2018, 04:40:58 PM »
There you go again. Expecting a Jew to give you a simple Yes or No. Or a single line translation of a Hebrew/Jewish term.

Some people never learn.  ;)
I was expecting a clarification. 
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