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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #390 on: March 25, 2018, 09:56:26 AM »
For sure, but not one that requires a miracle. That requires an interventions. I may know someone who can help with that.
...but what if he wins and it saves his life?. Can it be because of a miracle?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #391 on: March 25, 2018, 09:59:31 AM »
Unless you are referring to coincidence or happenstance as miracles, this wining streak, from a religious perspective really has no place in the realm of miracles.   
AFAIK he is a כל יכול no rules dictate when he does what.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #392 on: March 25, 2018, 10:18:51 AM »
...but what if he wins and it saves his life?. Can it be because of a miracle?
My position on this is very clear you know it.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #393 on: March 25, 2018, 10:23:46 AM »
AFAIK he is a כל יכול no rules dictate when he does what.
Of course he can the question is why would he
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #394 on: March 25, 2018, 10:25:29 AM »
Of course he can the question is why would he
So now it's OK to question what G-ds reasoning behind his decisions are?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #395 on: March 25, 2018, 11:05:31 AM »
So now it's OK to question what G-ds reasoning behind his decisions are?
First of all, you can always question. You may not get satisfactory answers.

Secondly, what about this story makes it a miracle?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #396 on: March 25, 2018, 11:06:39 AM »
First of all, you can always question. You may not get satisfactory answers.

Secondly, what about this story makes it a miracle?
You can question, but you can't deny that he may wish to do something

And no, I do not think this is a miracle I was asking in general
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #397 on: March 25, 2018, 11:12:00 AM »
You can question, but you can't deny that he may wish to do something

And no, I do not think this is a miracle I was asking in general
Who is denying? And again, why would he? If its to help the poor lad who bet all his money on this, I can hear it. But, thats really a stretch.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #398 on: March 25, 2018, 11:14:28 AM »
Who is denying? And again, why would he? If its to help the poor lad who bet all his money on this, I can hear it. But, thats really a stretch.
My questioning was on this only.

The way I understand miracles, they're kind of reserved for real life issues, not to make sports fanatics' dreams come true.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #399 on: March 25, 2018, 11:21:25 AM »
My questioning was on this only.
And my response remains the same, possible, not probable.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #400 on: March 25, 2018, 11:22:30 AM »
And my response remains the same, possible, not probable.
And on that I don't disagree :)
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #401 on: March 25, 2018, 11:26:48 AM »
The way I understand miracles, they're kind of reserved for real life issues, not to make sports fanatics' dreams come true.
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Miracles can happen regarding anything the question is if they will. Judaism does not believe in indulgences which, from my limited understanding (CM can correct me if I am wrong), can be given out and gives the bearer a right to expect intervention to some extent. Miracles will only happen when hashem feels the need for it. That is unlikely to happen just to fulfill some support fan's dream.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #402 on: March 25, 2018, 11:34:29 AM »
(CM can correct me if I am wrong)
Not a chance. Some of us know our limitations.

I believe miracles can happen for any reason G-D chooses. That brings up an interesting dilemma for those like me that believe in 100% free will.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #403 on: March 25, 2018, 11:37:10 AM »
Not a chance. Some of us know our limitations.

I believe miracles can happen for any reason G-D chooses. That brings up an interesting dilemma for those like me that believe in 100% free will.
That is not contradictory to what I wrote. To say that G-d made a miracle because he is a fan of that team is belittling.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #404 on: March 25, 2018, 11:40:19 AM »
Not a chance. Some of us know our limitations.

I believe miracles can happen for any reason G-D chooses. That brings up an interesting dilemma for those like me that believe in 100% free will.
Can you explain?
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