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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #435 on: June 03, 2018, 07:42:53 AM »
Was unaware the Sefer was written by Rav Bloch. I still find it strange that you would say that rounding is kefirah in light of these mareh mekomos. Does he reconcile that?
Its R Yossef Bloch from monsey.

He's does reconcile something.. not sure what he's saying and I'm not really going to expand much time trying to figure it out.

I'm totally on the same page as him as far as the general concept and message of this specific chapter. He got a little side lined with the counts imho...

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #436 on: June 03, 2018, 10:59:04 AM »
Cmiiw, but I think geirus requires milah and if it's a sakana, it's just not possible to be megayer
Sources?

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #437 on: June 03, 2018, 11:42:15 AM »
check out the machlokes ramban and ibn Ezra by the 70 yordim... Its been a while but IIRC it's a good mareh mokom also.

See Ramban there also...

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #438 on: June 03, 2018, 12:18:57 PM »
Cmiiw, but I think geirus requires milah and if it's a sakana, it's just not possible to be megayer
That's my understanding as well, I will try to ask around for a makor.
Do we know that the erav Rav were actually megayer and Jewish?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #439 on: June 03, 2018, 12:20:19 PM »

See Ramban there also...
That's a really good raayah. A peleh on the Rosh
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #440 on: June 03, 2018, 04:57:27 PM »
Don't remember, just  have a vague recollection of hearing that
Sources?

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #441 on: June 03, 2018, 07:40:21 PM »
Sources?
Sources for what? That Milah is מעכב geirus, or source specifically when there's a sakana.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #442 on: June 03, 2018, 07:47:15 PM »
That's my understanding as well, I will try to ask around for a makor.
Do we know that the erav Rav were actually megayer and Jewish?
There's lots of torah-reid in the rishoinam on this. See Rambam איסורי בּיאה פּרק יג הל יח
ומפני זה אמרו חכמים קשים להם גרים לישראל כנגע צרעת שרובן חוזרין בשביל דבר ומטעין את ישראל. וקשה הדבר לפרוש מהם אחר שנתגיירו. צא ולמד מה אירע במדבר במעשה העגל ובקברות התאוה וכן רוב הנסיונות האספסוף היו בהן תחלה

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #443 on: June 03, 2018, 09:29:12 PM »
There's lots of torah-reid in the rishoinam on this. See Rambam איסורי בּיאה פּרק יג הל יח
ומפני זה אמרו חכמים קשים להם גרים לישראל כנגע צרעת שרובן חוזרין בשביל דבר ומטעין את ישראל. וקשה הדבר לפרוש מהם אחר שנתגיירו. צא ולמד מה אירע במדבר במעשה העגל ובקברות התאוה וכן רוב הנסיונות האספסוף היו בהן תחלה
They were geirim.. Rashi says so a few times in Chumash also.
In the midbar they had Mila, just not priah.
There were also additional eiruv Rav later on after milchemes amalek.


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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #444 on: June 03, 2018, 11:02:02 PM »
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #445 on: March 15, 2019, 03:54:12 AM »
In regards to hishtadlus, sometimes I've heard people say they "aren't holding on that level of emuna/bitachon", what does that mean? Do they believe or not? Even if you say that emuna/bitachon is a range, still at the end of the day I only see three options. Either you believe, you don't believe, or you're not sure (which can have different levels of not being sure). If that's the case why isn't it considered that you don't have emuna shleima in one of the 13 ikrim thereby being considered a kofer?


Also a random thing I was thinking about recently. I've heard people saying (now that there are basically no more misnagdim) that there are 2 equally valid mehalchim in avodas hashem. One is more focused on limud hatorah... And the other is more focused on davening, dveikus... Chassidim picked the latter and litvish people picked the former.

I was thinking, isn't it a little interesting to say that hashem would give two equally valid approaches in avodas hashem. If they are both equally valid and it's up to us to choose which one to do then it just comes down to what we like to do better. Which in my eyes seems like a pegima.

Wouldn't it be smarter if there was only one derech?

 (Yes there are some assumptions involved in this post but they're not too far fetched)
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #446 on: March 15, 2019, 07:15:52 AM »
they're not too far fetched
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Here is my understanding.

I absolutely trust my father with my life. If he was holding me over a 10,000 foot cliff, no doubt in my mind I'll be afraid. That is not perfect Bitachon, I am not trusting entirely in him. Is that a definitive yes, or no? Absolutely not.

Recognizing that it's my father holding me in that position is emunah. To not fully understand that that's the case, is a lack in Emunah, once again there is undoubtedly a range, to what extent do you understand, or to what extent to you recognize that it's him. And the same for when you are pulled to safety, how much do you understand/recognize that it was him who saved you.

The 2 mehalchim question had to many assumptions for me to tackle.

Say you have 2 roads from point A to point B. One is flat and windy, one is bumpy and straight. Or one is perfect at the beginning, but bumpy at the end, while the other is windy at the start but straightens out in the middle. Both roads take you from where you are to where you need to be. Both roads are hard, and you can't take the easy part without the hard part. But after all is said and done you get from point A to point B. And that's where based on your assumptions God says choose your way, you have bechira, but all I need is you to be at point B.

But I disagree with the whole second part, so who cares what I think.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #447 on: March 15, 2019, 08:57:21 AM »
In regards to hishtadlus, sometimes I've heard people say they "aren't holding on that level of emuna/bitachon", what does that mean? Do they believe or not? Even if you say that emuna/bitachon is a range, still at the end of the day I only see three options. Either you believe, you don't believe, or you're not sure (which can have different levels of not being sure). If that's the case why isn't it considered that you don't have emuna shleima in one of the 13 ikrim thereby being considered a kofer?


Also a random thing I was thinking about recently. I've heard people saying (now that there are basically no more misnagdim) that there are 2 equally valid mehalchim in avodas hashem. One is more focused on limud hatorah... And the other is more focused on davening, dveikus... Chassidim picked the latter and litvish people picked the former.

I was thinking, isn't it a little interesting to say that hashem would give two equally valid approaches in avodas hashem. If they are both equally valid and it's up to us to choose which one to do then it just comes down to what we like to do better. Which in my eyes seems like a pegima.

Wouldn't it be smarter if there was only one derech?

 (Yes there are some assumptions involved in this post but they're not too far fetched)
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #448 on: March 15, 2019, 09:44:44 AM »
In regards to hishtadlus, sometimes I've heard people say they "aren't holding on that level of emuna/bitachon", what does that mean? Do they believe or not? Even if you say that emuna/bitachon is a range, still at the end of the day I only see three options. Either you believe, you don't believe, or you're not sure (which can have different levels of not being sure). If that's the case why isn't it considered that you don't have emuna shleima in one of the 13 ikrim thereby being considered a kofer?


Also a random thing I was thinking about recently. I've heard people saying (now that there are basically no more misnagdim) that there are 2 equally valid mehalchim in avodas hashem. One is more focused on limud hatorah... And the other is more focused on davening, dveikus... Chassidim picked the latter and litvish people picked the former.

I was thinking, isn't it a little interesting to say that hashem would give two equally valid approaches in avodas hashem. If they are both equally valid and it's up to us to choose which one to do then it just comes down to what we like to do better. Which in my eyes seems like a pegima.

Wouldn't it be smarter if there was only one derech?

 (Yes there are some assumptions involved in this post but they're not too far fetched)

Fairly easy to answer your questions. The first is discussed in  the Gemara and numerous kadmonim.  I donít have time to write now, perhaps others will . Think about this in regards to your second question. Why did Hashem make male and female? Why not just the one being who is more perfect at serving Him?

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #449 on: March 18, 2019, 03:01:15 AM »
A suggested reading that deals with your first question is Worldmask by Rabbi Akiva Tatz, I think itís primarily in chapter 3.

Regarding your second question see the attached from the chofetz chaim for a start.