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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2018, 02:31:16 PM »
That's why we first say "ein keilokeinu" and only then, once we've established that, do we ask "mi keilokeinu?"
Interesting. Is that your own thought? I've never heard that.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2018, 02:33:17 PM »
Interesting. Is that your own thought? I've never heard that.
Not my own but I don't remember the source.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2018, 02:34:16 PM »
Not my own but I don't remember the source.

Wow never thought of that. Thanks for the insight

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2018, 02:35:04 PM »
No need to throw out abstract sources, write a cohesive summery

Sorry, was on the run before and misquoted. It’s the yerushalmi yevamos 1:6 and the Bavli 16a
בימי רבי דוסא בן הרכינס הותרה צרת הבת לאחין שמע מינה עשו שמע מינה גופא בימי רבי דוסא בן הרכינס התירו צרת הבת לאחין והיה הדבר קשה לחכמים מפני שחכם גדול היה ועיניו קמו מלבא לבית המדרש (אמר ומי ילך) ויודיעו אמר להן רבי יהושע אני אלך ואחריו מי רבי אלעזר בן עזריה ואחריו מי ר''ע הלכו ועמדו על פתח ביתו נכנסה שפחתו אמרה לו רבי חכמי ישראל באין אצלך אמר לה יכנסו ונכנסו תפסו לרבי יהושע והושיבהו על מטה של זהב א''ל רבי אמור לתלמידך אחר וישב אמר לו מי הוא רבי אלעזר בן עזריה אמר ויש לו בן לעזריה חבירנו קרא עליו המקרא הזה {תהילים לז-כה} נער הייתי גם זקנתי ולא ראיתי צדיק נעזב וזרעו מבקש לחם תפסו והושיבו על מטה של זהב א''ל רבי אמור לתלמידך אחר וישב א''ל ומי הוא עקיבא בן יוסף א''ל אתה הוא עקיבא בן יוסף ששמך הולך מסוף העולם ועד סופו שב בני שב כמותך ירבו בישראל התחילו מסבבים אותו בהלכות עד שהגיעו לצרת הבת אמרו ליה צרת הבת מהו אמר להן מחלוקת בית שמאי ובית הלל הלכה כדברי מי אמר להן הלכה כבית הלל אמרו ליה והלא משמך אמרו הלכה כבית שמאי אמר להם דוסא שמעתם או בן הרכינס שמעתם אמרו ליה חיי רבי סתם שמענו אמר להם אח קטן יש לי בכור שטן הוא ויונתן שמו והוא מתלמידי שמאי והזהרו שלא יקפח אתכם בהלכות לפי שיש עמו שלש מאות תשובות בצרת הבת שהיא מותרת אבל מעיד אני עלי שמים וארץ שעל מדוכה זו ישב חגי הנביא ואמר שלשה דברים צרת הבת אסורה עמון ומואב מעשרין מעשר עני בשביעית ומקבלים גרים מן הקרדויין ומן התרמודים

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2018, 02:36:56 PM »
Not my own but I don't remember the source.

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2018, 02:38:43 PM »
Story with Rav Shmuel salant
Please share.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2018, 02:39:46 PM »
Would this be correct? You can question things for the purpose of understanding why they are true but not question if they are true?
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2018, 02:43:31 PM »
Would this be correct? You can question things for the purpose of understanding why they are true but not question if they are true?
Depends on what the question is.
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2018, 02:45:58 PM »
Depends on what the question is.
Something in the Torah for you and the Bible for me.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2018, 02:50:23 PM »
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2018, 02:58:22 PM »
Something in the Torah for you and the Bible for me.
There is no simple answer, depends on the context and many other things.
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2018, 03:05:46 PM »
Something in the Torah for you and the Bible for me.
If it is part of Torah, then it is true (and Torah extends beyond the Pentateuch or even the 24 books).

Sometimes, a part of Torah is written in a way that is not to be understood literally, and sometimes seemingly contradicting facts might be true despite the seeming contradiction.
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Re: Torah stuff that I don't understand
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2018, 03:10:01 PM »
If it is part of Torah, then it is true (and Torah extends beyond the Pentateuch or even the 24 books).

Sometimes, a part of Torah is written in a way that is not to be understood literally, and sometimes seemingly contradicting facts might be true despite the seeming contradiction.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2018, 03:10:23 PM »
Halevai only @ChaimMoskowitz understands.

The question was not philosophical or theological..it simply doesnt make sense. For reasons that abound. thanks @cmey i'll look that up.

Regarding how I phase my statements is y business, you could be more open minded and engage @TimT  @Mordyk

I got into this discussion because inyan has an article about Rav Yakov Sapir, in which he says he entered the cairo geniza and found supposedly the sefer tora of ezra hasofer. Which is confusing because no later visitors mention it

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2018, 03:19:12 PM »

I got into this discussion because inyan has an article about Rav Yakov Sapir, in which he says he entered the cairo geniza and found supposedly the sefer tora of ezra hasofer. Which is confusing because no later visitors mention it

So your question was based on a poorly researched, poorly written, puff piece?
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