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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #200 on: February 27, 2018, 09:58:07 AM »
The reason one of is Jewish and other is Catholic has nothing to do with stories we were told.
Please enlighten us. Obviously, we are raised one way and we choose to either remain or change. But the reason we choose is grounded in faith. Faith that comes from an understanding of the founding principles of our religion. The "stories we are told" are the narrative that leads us to have faith in the portions of the religion that cannot be proven by the facts.

Again, my grandfather celebrated all the holidays because he saw his grandfather do it all the way back to the first such celebration, which pre-dates any celebration you will point to. So why do I need to rely on "stories we were told", its a live religion with currently celebrated holidays that were celebrated millenia ago.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #201 on: February 27, 2018, 10:18:57 AM »
There are plenty of online venues for this kind of stuff. Can someone please start another forum somewhere else called Bible/Talmud/Contemporary Halacha Criticism and Interfaith dialogue?
No reason this stuff belongs on DDF....
Dan, what if someone wants to start an adult site discussion thread?
Does anything go on DDF?

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #202 on: February 27, 2018, 10:30:10 AM »
There are plenty of online venues for this kind of stuff. Can someone please start another forum somewhere else called Bible/Talmud/Contemporary Halacha Criticism and Interfaith dialogue?
No reason this stuff belongs on DDF....
Dan, what if someone wants to start an adult site discussion thread?
Does anything go on DDF?

No one is criticizing, if anything, my issues are with people that focus too much on modern day chumros etc and ignore mesorah

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #203 on: February 27, 2018, 10:31:15 AM »
How in the world does keli reshon cook and cli sheni doesnt cook, Cook up oil and put it in a cli sheini then cook up water and keep it in kli reshon check the temp of both the oil kli shaini will be hotter.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #204 on: February 27, 2018, 10:32:19 AM »
No one is criticizing, if anything, my issues are with people that focus too much on modern day chumros etc and ignore mesorah
There are venues for that too...

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #205 on: February 27, 2018, 10:35:49 AM »
The reason one of is Jewish and other is Catholic has nothing to do with stories we were told.

No, but the difference is, the giving of the torah, the exodus from egypt. Even witho5ut historical evidence, the torah gives us proof.

"Sha'al avicha v'yageidcha. Zikeinecha v'yomru lach"

Deuteronomy 32:7 7Remember the days of old; consider the generations long past. Ask your father and he will tell you, your elders, and they will explain to you.

The Torah gives over an unbroken chain. 600,000 left egypt, they stood before Mt Sinai. The torah tells us to carry this on generation to generation but also that there is proof..


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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #206 on: February 27, 2018, 10:36:28 AM »
There are venues for that too...

thats why its on JS

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #207 on: February 27, 2018, 11:00:07 AM »


Lots of things dont "make sense"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_years_(Jewish_calendar)

Rabbi Geizinsky in NMB has a book on it I was reading.

Let’s start threads on that, eye for an eye, killing the 7 nations, etc etc, after all its JS.

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #208 on: February 27, 2018, 11:11:45 AM »
@ExGingi  B'shaa shekidmu...Oh I learned Samach vav ;) I have a good memory, any maamer I ever learned I can give over.
So those are a few things that where you are ahead of me.

Why don't you start a DDF shiur in Samach Vav? I would join.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #209 on: February 27, 2018, 12:35:10 PM »
So those are a few things that where you are ahead of me.

Why don't you start a DDF shiur in Samach Vav? I would join.
Chabad codewords being slung about.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #210 on: February 27, 2018, 12:38:45 PM »
Let’s start threads on that, eye for an eye, killing the 7 nations, etc etc, after all its JS.
Be our guest. Go right ahead.

Equating questions in emunah with adult site discussions is exactly what is wrong with this generation.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #211 on: February 27, 2018, 01:03:45 PM »
Chabad codewords being slung about.
Not too much of a codeword. Referring to this. Also available in an updated version beginning here.

Though the reference to the crowns might be alluding to this.


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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #212 on: February 27, 2018, 01:17:18 PM »
Be our guest. Go right ahead.

Equating questions in emunah with adult site discussions is exactly what is wrong with this generation.

That was not my intent whatsoever.
I have no problem with questions in emunah. They ought to be encouraged in the proper format. We are privileged to have many seforim from the rishonim and achronim as well as contemporary authors and lecturers who discuss them. The proper format is a serious forum with the participation of those who are knowledgeable on the subject, and there are plenty who are. Contrast that with this thread, where Jews and Catholics are discussing comparative religion (are you really trying to convince Chaimmoskowitz of the superiority of the Jewish tradition?), and discussions of a problematic Rambam that most forum participants never even heard of, and only one apparently knows where to look to conclude that the Rambam doesn’t exist, and this forum is clearly not the place for this.


That was the (admittedly rather crude) analogy to an adult thread which clearly doesn’t belong here; it was not meant to impugn  questions of emunah in general.

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #213 on: February 27, 2018, 03:17:34 PM »
Please enlighten us. Obviously, we are raised one way and we choose to either remain or change. But the reason we choose is grounded in faith. Faith that comes from an understanding of the founding principles of our religion. The "stories we are told" are the narrative that leads us to have faith in the portions of the religion that cannot be proven by the facts.

Again, my grandfather celebrated all the holidays because he saw his grandfather do it all the way back to the first such celebration, which pre-dates any celebration you will point to. So why do I need to rely on "stories we were told", its a live religion with currently celebrated holidays that were celebrated millenia ago.
What's there to enlighten anyone about. The way one was raised is the overwhelming deciding factor. Where you given a choice? Did you research all the religions before deciding? I will bet your answer will be the same as mine and millions of others, no.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #214 on: February 27, 2018, 03:37:13 PM »
What's there to enlighten anyone about. The way one was raised is the overwhelming deciding factor. Where you given a choice? Did you research all the religions before deciding? I will bet your answer will be the same as mine and millions of others, no.
Correct. However, you always have a choice once you have asked the proper questions and understood the proper answers.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #215 on: February 27, 2018, 03:41:57 PM »
Correct. However, you always have a choice once you have asked the proper questions and understood the proper answers.
What other religions have you researched?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #216 on: February 27, 2018, 03:42:17 PM »
That was not my intent whatsoever.
I have no problem with questions in emunah. They ought to be encouraged in the proper format. We are privileged to have many seforim from the rishonim and achronim as well as contemporary authors and lecturers who discuss them. The proper format is a serious forum with the participation of those who are knowledgeable on the subject, and there are plenty who are. Contrast that with this thread, where Jews and Catholics are discussing comparative religion (are you really trying to convince Chaimmoskowitz of the superiority of the Jewish tradition?), and discussions of a problematic Rambam that most forum participants never even heard of, and only one apparently knows where to look to conclude that the Rambam doesn’t exist, and this forum is clearly not the place for this.


That was the (admittedly rather crude) analogy to an adult thread which clearly doesn’t belong here; it was not meant to impugn  questions of emunah in general.
Since when is this not the proper place? No one is trying to convince anyone of anything here. We are JS, Just Shmoozing. These topics do come up in normal conversation so why is DDF not a proper forum? Maybe I'm slow and dont get it. Shabbos, Yom Tov, Kashrus, Minhagim are all fair game, but basic questions in emunah are not. Sounds alot like the yeshivas I'm familiar with.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #217 on: February 27, 2018, 03:43:26 PM »
What other religions have you researched?
Yours, Islam. At least as much as you have researched ours
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #218 on: February 27, 2018, 03:45:58 PM »
Yours, Islam. At least as much as you have researched ours
So basically you haven't then just like me. So how do you know other religions don't have the correct answers?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #219 on: February 27, 2018, 03:46:46 PM »
So basically you haven't then just like me. So how do you know other religions don't have the correct answers?
You haven't researched our religion?
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