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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #210 on: February 27, 2018, 12:38:45 PM »
Letís start threads on that, eye for an eye, killing the 7 nations, etc etc, after all its JS.
Be our guest. Go right ahead.

Equating questions in emunah with adult site discussions is exactly what is wrong with this generation.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #211 on: February 27, 2018, 01:03:45 PM »
Chabad codewords being slung about.
Not too much of a codeword. Referring to this. Also available in an updated version beginning here.

Though the reference to the crowns might be alluding to this.


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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #212 on: February 27, 2018, 01:17:18 PM »
Be our guest. Go right ahead.

Equating questions in emunah with adult site discussions is exactly what is wrong with this generation.

That was not my intent whatsoever.
I have no problem with questions in emunah. They ought to be encouraged in the proper format. We are privileged to have many seforim from the rishonim and achronim as well as contemporary authors and lecturers who discuss them. The proper format is a serious forum with the participation of those who are knowledgeable on the subject, and there are plenty who are. Contrast that with this thread, where Jews and Catholics are discussing comparative religion (are you really trying to convince Chaimmoskowitz of the superiority of the Jewish tradition?), and discussions of a problematic Rambam that most forum participants never even heard of, and only one apparently knows where to look to conclude that the Rambam doesnít exist, and this forum is clearly not the place for this.


That was the (admittedly rather crude) analogy to an adult thread which clearly doesnít belong here; it was not meant to impugn  questions of emunah in general.

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #213 on: February 27, 2018, 03:17:34 PM »
Please enlighten us. Obviously, we are raised one way and we choose to either remain or change. But the reason we choose is grounded in faith. Faith that comes from an understanding of the founding principles of our religion. The "stories we are told" are the narrative that leads us to have faith in the portions of the religion that cannot be proven by the facts.

Again, my grandfather celebrated all the holidays because he saw his grandfather do it all the way back to the first such celebration, which pre-dates any celebration you will point to. So why do I need to rely on "stories we were told", its a live religion with currently celebrated holidays that were celebrated millenia ago.
What's there to enlighten anyone about. The way one was raised is the overwhelming deciding factor. Where you given a choice? Did you research all the religions before deciding? I will bet your answer will be the same as mine and millions of others, no.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #214 on: February 27, 2018, 03:37:13 PM »
What's there to enlighten anyone about. The way one was raised is the overwhelming deciding factor. Where you given a choice? Did you research all the religions before deciding? I will bet your answer will be the same as mine and millions of others, no.
Correct. However, you always have a choice once you have asked the proper questions and understood the proper answers.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #215 on: February 27, 2018, 03:41:57 PM »
Correct. However, you always have a choice once you have asked the proper questions and understood the proper answers.
What other religions have you researched?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #216 on: February 27, 2018, 03:42:17 PM »
That was not my intent whatsoever.
I have no problem with questions in emunah. They ought to be encouraged in the proper format. We are privileged to have many seforim from the rishonim and achronim as well as contemporary authors and lecturers who discuss them. The proper format is a serious forum with the participation of those who are knowledgeable on the subject, and there are plenty who are. Contrast that with this thread, where Jews and Catholics are discussing comparative religion (are you really trying to convince Chaimmoskowitz of the superiority of the Jewish tradition?), and discussions of a problematic Rambam that most forum participants never even heard of, and only one apparently knows where to look to conclude that the Rambam doesnít exist, and this forum is clearly not the place for this.


That was the (admittedly rather crude) analogy to an adult thread which clearly doesnít belong here; it was not meant to impugn  questions of emunah in general.
Since when is this not the proper place? No one is trying to convince anyone of anything here. We are JS, Just Shmoozing. These topics do come up in normal conversation so why is DDF not a proper forum? Maybe I'm slow and dont get it. Shabbos, Yom Tov, Kashrus, Minhagim are all fair game, but basic questions in emunah are not. Sounds alot like the yeshivas I'm familiar with.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #217 on: February 27, 2018, 03:43:26 PM »
What other religions have you researched?
Yours, Islam. At least as much as you have researched ours
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #218 on: February 27, 2018, 03:45:58 PM »
Yours, Islam. At least as much as you have researched ours
So basically you haven't then just like me. So how do you know other religions don't have the correct answers?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #219 on: February 27, 2018, 03:46:46 PM »
So basically you haven't then just like me. So how do you know other religions don't have the correct answers?
You haven't researched our religion?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #220 on: February 27, 2018, 03:49:47 PM »
You haven't researched our religion?
Researched as having an understanding, no.
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #221 on: February 27, 2018, 04:30:24 PM »



So are there 2 ark's out there ? how many menorahs ?

Yes there are (at least) 2 arks, one (that stayed) in the kodesh kodashim, and one that went to battle.
Menorahs there were a bunch (Shlomo put 10 iirc). But besides for these there were replacements for each keili in the bais hamikdosh in case it became tomei...

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #222 on: February 27, 2018, 04:35:59 PM »

Yes there are (at least) 2 arks, one (that stayed) in the kodesh kodashim, and one that went to battle.
Menorahs there were a bunch (Shlomo put 10 iirc). But besides for these there were replacements for each keili in the bais hamikdosh in case it became tomei...

So maybe indiana jones found one ?

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #223 on: February 27, 2018, 04:42:29 PM »
What's there to enlighten anyone about. The way one was raised is the overwhelming deciding factor. Where you given a choice? Did you research all the religions before deciding? I will bet your answer will be the same as mine and millions of others, no.

I didnt research other religions, but ive researched judaism in ways that give me more answers and faith than Christianity and Islam.

Both are inherently flawed any are sub cultures of the hebrew religion. As neither are idol worship (different debate if Christianity is avoda zara) its fine for a non jew to believe in Shituf.

A jew believes in G-d as the sole power Rambam discusses this and @ExGingi  I learned the Tanya of this in Rabbi Paltiel's class..

I wonder if any judaic legit sources believe malachim have free will and power on their own

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #224 on: February 27, 2018, 05:02:28 PM »
I didnt research other religions, but ive researched judaism in ways that give me more answers and faith than Christianity and Islam.
What answers are you looking for? Maybe we can help each other out as I am looking for answers also.
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