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« Reply #255 on: February 27, 2018, 07:58:29 PM »
No mentioning the Diety, please. DDF is not the place. Its a cesspool v'chulhu v'chulhu
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #256 on: February 27, 2018, 08:11:17 PM »
I think we need @aygart  :)
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #257 on: February 27, 2018, 08:17:28 PM »
To comment on Catholicism? No thanks.
Can Will you comment if Judaism views Catholicism as idol worship?
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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #258 on: February 27, 2018, 08:19:41 PM »
Can Will you comment if Judaism views Catholicism as idol worship?
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Re: DavidRotts63 Cant figure Out why this thread title changes
« Reply #259 on: February 27, 2018, 08:25:23 PM »
You have still not made a coherent argument why it should not be here. You dont like comparative religion...thats not what this was. There were some serious emunah questions raised. Is that something that you're uncomfortable with? Why doesnt it belong here?

Hereís what I think would be a reasonable standard of what belongs.

ďStam Yayim, tznius, x minhag is rediculous and a corruption of the mesorahĒ= no good.

I donít understand x minhag in light of y. Can someone explain?= good.

This part of the Torah/ Gemara/ rishonim doesn׳t make sense/ isnít believable= no good

I have a problem understanding x in light of y or because it seems to defy logic etc. can someone provide sources/ explain it to me in a way that makes sense to me= good

Lubavitcher Meshichistin are  Ovdei Avoda Zara and arenít real Jews= no good

Can some explain how the lubavitcher Meshichistin reconcile x with y? = good

The x Jews think they have the answers but they are hypocrites because they talk in shul= no good

I have a hard time understanding how Jews who believe in hashem talk in shul= good
Etc. etc.

Does that sound like a reasonable standard for the forums?


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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #260 on: February 27, 2018, 08:34:40 PM »
Can Will you comment if Judaism views Catholicism as idol worship?
My understanding is that most authorities from before Protestantism were of the opinion that it is not idolatry for gentiles but is for Jews but I cannot say that I really ever researched that extensively as it has few practical ramifications.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #261 on: February 27, 2018, 11:51:23 PM »
Is that title better?

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #262 on: February 28, 2018, 12:08:56 AM »
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Chevron made a statement that there is definitely no idolatry in Christianity. I responded that that is subject to debate. Indeed a good part of the worlds Christians do consider it to be idolatry. I have no personal opinion on the matter since I am not a catholic or a Protestant....

No,
I said it was a debate if christianity is avoda zara

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/89/is-christianity-avodah-zara


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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #263 on: February 28, 2018, 12:17:31 AM »
Is that title better?
Thank you.

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #264 on: February 28, 2018, 12:19:35 AM »
No,
I said it was a debate if christianity is avoda zara

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/89/is-christianity-avodah-zara

I didnt research other religions, but ive researched judaism in ways that give me more answers and faith than Christianity and Islam.

Both are inherently flawed any are sub cultures of the hebrew religion. As neither are idol worship (different debate if Christianity is avoda zara) its fine for a non jew to believe in Shituf.



I wonder if any judaic legit sources believe malachim have free will and power on their own

Perhaps I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that it was debatable if shituf is Avoda Zara but there is definitely no actual idol worship, which would certainly be a problem for a non Jew, hence my reply....

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #265 on: February 28, 2018, 12:21:23 AM »
No,
I said it was a debate if christianity is avoda zara

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/89/is-christianity-avodah-zara
May I suggest that we don't engage in that debate, which probably requires knowledge and information, beyond what the most Jews are Halachicaly permitted to study.
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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #266 on: February 28, 2018, 12:22:03 AM »
Perhaps I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that it was debatable if shituf is Avoda Zara but there is definitely no actual idol worship, which would certainly be a problem for a non Jew, hence my reply....

ok my bad. Different versions of Christianity differ. If we hold that shituf is ok for a goy, than yes certain christians are not oved avoda zara...

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Re: How does it make sense that Chaggai lived for so long but isn't mentioned?
« Reply #267 on: February 28, 2018, 12:23:33 AM »
May I suggest that we don't engage in that debate, which probably requires knowledge and information beyond what the most Jews are Halachicaly permitted to study.

I only went there for

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There is a dispute among the posekim as to whether shittuf is permitted to non-Jews. (This has ramifications, for example, concerning the laws of yayin nesech, doing business with them on their holidays, etc.).

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #268 on: February 28, 2018, 12:24:37 AM »
Can Will you comment if Judaism views Catholicism as idol worship?


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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #269 on: February 28, 2018, 12:26:30 AM »

I know a 5bm method and a chase 5/24 work around... ;) oh I have ADD
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