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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #270 on: February 28, 2018, 12:27:55 AM »

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #271 on: February 28, 2018, 12:40:07 AM »
Thank you.

Almost anything is better than the original. I feel almost drunk from relief, that I can't think straight whether this is accurate.  ;)

Should have waited 2 more days then.

I wonder if any judaic legit sources believe malachim have free will and power on their own

Yes. Just don't ask me to find them...

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Re: Torah stuff that doesnt make sense
« Reply #272 on: February 28, 2018, 02:19:09 AM »
My understanding is that most authorities from before Protestantism were of the opinion that it is not idolatry for gentiles but is for Jews but I cannot say that I really ever researched that extensively as it has few practical ramifications.

It’s actually pretty complicated, since the idea of transubstantiation was not formally adopted in its current form until 1215, long after Rashi, the Rambam, and many of the Rishonim lived. (Tosafos Avoda Zara 50b describes loaves that are given to priests to supply them with food, he is clearly not referring to the Eucharist.) Whether the idea of transubstantiation was widely accepted before that date or not is debated by the Catholics/Protestants . The bottom line is that assuming that shituf  is in concept allowed for a non Jew, Catholicism for a non Jew would appear to be more problematic than Protestantism as far as the Noahide laws are concerned; even if one were to accept the Catholic explanation of why what they do isn’t considered idolatry according to their faith, (without going into details) that idea might very well be a violation of the Noahide laws of Idol worship according to the Jewish faith . Ask your Local Orthodox Noahide Expert :)
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #273 on: February 28, 2018, 05:00:14 AM »
Money talks...mine says goodbye!

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #274 on: February 28, 2018, 08:29:16 AM »
Is a strong desire to gain money and wealth; greed be a form of idolatry? What about a very strong desire to gain fame or recognition?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #275 on: February 28, 2018, 09:05:14 AM »
Is a strong desire to gain money and wealth; greed be a form of idolatry? What about a very strong desire to gain fame or recognition?
In a figurative sense the above is described as “serving an untold number of idols”. The root of it is something akin to idolatry. One who gets angry is figuratively “considered to be engaged in idolatry” as well. Technically, however, in either of the above cases he is not actually violating the Noahide laws in practice.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #276 on: February 28, 2018, 10:12:41 AM »
Is a strong desire to gain money and wealth; greed be a form of idolatry? What about a very strong desire to gain fame or recognition?
For a Jew it might be a derivative of idolatry, as it attributes power to anything but the Omnipotent, blessed be He. Though definitely not punishable by an earthly court at any time.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #277 on: February 28, 2018, 10:16:11 AM »
For a Jew it might be a derivative of idolatry...
That's what I was asking. TY!
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #278 on: February 28, 2018, 10:17:53 AM »
For a Jew it might be a derivative of idolatry, as it attributes power to anything but the Omnipotent, blessed be He. Though definitely not punishable by an earthly court at any time.
How does wanting a lot of money attribute power to it?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #279 on: February 28, 2018, 10:21:35 AM »
How does wanting a lot of money attribute power to it?
Why would anyone want money?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #280 on: February 28, 2018, 10:22:55 AM »
Front row seat to a heavyweight fight. Pass the popcorn.  :)
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #281 on: February 28, 2018, 10:24:33 AM »
Why would anyone want money?
To buy steak at Shallots
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #282 on: February 28, 2018, 10:29:33 AM »
Front row seat to a heavyweight fight. Pass the popcorn.  :)
It's a fast day.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #283 on: February 28, 2018, 10:34:17 AM »
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #284 on: February 28, 2018, 10:38:49 AM »
Minor, correct?
Yes.

To buy steak at Shallots
Being that I was never at Shallots, and even if I was there I wouldn't be likely to buy steak there, we need to page @Dan to chime in, as one of our resident experts on this, who actually might have an opinion about buying steak at Shallots, which I don't.
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