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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #420 on: May 27, 2018, 11:28:19 AM »
I've had this question for a while.

That the numbers were rounded occurred to me and without seeing his argument, I can't see why that would be kefira.  The Torah rounds numbers elsewhere.  Moshe Rabbenu said שש מאות אלף רגלי, forty makos.  However, I disregarded this as answer because the counting of the Leviim also comes to a round number and is clearly not rounded as seen from the cheshbon of bechorim vs Leviim.

The medrish (precises source would be appreciated) says that at matan torah am yisrael saw the malochim arranged in formations in honor of Hashem and they desired to arrange themselves in formation as well. Hashem acceded to their desire and gave the instructions for their formations. Perhaps Hashem caused the numbers to be round in order to be conducive to the formations.
He also brings down the bechorim to show that it's specific like you said. Nu nu I thought about that and I still don't think it takes away from the answer (that's why I wrote mostly).

And for the formations (I'm not familiar with this) you'd have to say that for all of klal yisroel not the people who were 20+.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #421 on: May 27, 2018, 11:48:39 AM »

Can you please elaborate on the nature of this embarrassment? So strange
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #422 on: May 27, 2018, 12:25:46 PM »
That's sad.not you, but the prevailing culture that would equate the two

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #423 on: May 27, 2018, 12:42:30 PM »
Hilarious that the answer that appears in the Rosh in pesachim is called "absolute kefirah"
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #424 on: May 27, 2018, 01:35:04 PM »
Hilarious that the answer that appears in the Rosh in pesachim is called "absolute kefirah"
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #425 on: May 27, 2018, 02:57:54 PM »
I will try and remember to ask my father who has a bunch of maare mikomos for this. He can also tell you the exact probability of it which he calculated. Being exact numbers would unquestionably be a tremendous nes.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #426 on: May 27, 2018, 04:05:51 PM »
See Emes Liyaakov (Rí Yaakov Kaminetsky) in parshas Pinchas (26-8) who addresses this anomaly along the lines of the meshech chochmah in parshas Bamidbar....

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #427 on: May 29, 2018, 07:16:02 PM »
Sorry for the delay. Here is the מראה מקןם. It's a רא"ש in ערבי פסחים סימן מHe didn't discuss the question explicitly, and he may may not apply his answer to this question. Though, based on this, I'd have a hard time calling this כפירה.
If you believe Hashem couldn't make a miracle that all the shevatim ended in a round number, that's obviously kefirah. But the question is, to what end would Hashem have made such a miracle
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #428 on: May 29, 2018, 08:05:00 PM »
Sorry for the delay. Here is the מראה מקןם. It's a רא"ש in ערבי פסחים סימן מHe didn't discuss the question explicitly, and he may may not apply his answer to this question. Though, based on this, I'd have a hard time calling this כפירה.
If you believe Hashem couldn't make a miracle that all the shevatim ended in a round number, that's obviously kefirah. But the question is, to what end would Hashem have made such a miracle
check out the machlokes ramban and ibn Ezra by the 70 yordim... Its been a while but IIRC it's a good mareh mokom also.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #429 on: May 29, 2018, 08:55:18 PM »
Am I Halachically prohibited from attending my second cousinís Shabbos Bat Mitzva in a Conservative Shul where she will be be called up for an Aliya and lain the Parsha? I would actually daven else where but only attend to avoid insulting or hurting their feelings. Please cite sources if possible.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #430 on: May 29, 2018, 09:14:23 PM »
Am I Halachically prohibited from attending my second cousinís Shabbos Bat Mitzva in a Conservative Shul where she will be be called up for an Aliya and lain the Parsha? I would actually daven else where but only attend to avoid insulting or hurting their feelings. Please cite sources if possible.
Ask your rov. Iirc Reb Moshe catagorically doesn't permit it

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #431 on: June 02, 2018, 11:49:44 PM »
Hilarious that the answer that appears in the Rosh in pesachim is called "absolute kefirah"
I checked out r blochs sefer today on this. He brings down the Rosh and meshech chochma in his foot notes.. an ignoramus he isn't..
Happens to be that the numbers are not the main focus of his chapter in which he brings them in.. wtvr

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #432 on: June 02, 2018, 11:51:12 PM »
Did the eruv Rav that joined klal yisroel by yetzias mitzrayim have a Mila first? Or not because they were straight in the midbar

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #433 on: June 02, 2018, 11:58:03 PM »
Cmiiw, but I think geirus requires milah and if it's a sakana, it's just not possible to be megayer
Did the eruv Rav that joined klal yisroel by yetzias mitzrayim have a Mila first? Or not because they were straight in the midbar

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #434 on: June 03, 2018, 07:23:33 AM »
I checked out r blochs sefer today on this. He brings down the Rosh and meshech chochma in his foot notes.. an ignoramus he isn't..
Happens to be that the numbers are not the main focus of his chapter in which he brings them in.. wtvr

Was unaware the Sefer was written by Rav Bloch. I still find it strange that you would say that rounding is kefirah in light of these mareh mekomos. Does he reconcile that?
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