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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #780 on: December 31, 2022, 06:38:48 PM »

I’d like to know why he doesn’t have some of these issues with תרגום.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #781 on: December 31, 2022, 06:46:52 PM »
If that is your source then what is shocking you now?
Indeed shocking is poor word choice. It is “horrifically appalling” would be better.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #782 on: December 31, 2022, 06:55:11 PM »
Rabbi Feldman received this letter which no doubt played a role in this:

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #783 on: December 31, 2022, 07:44:26 PM »
They say this? Where?No, it was not. Lol.



Ah I see it’s mentioned. Yes it’s absolutely true.



Yes, quite so.

I have not really been following this and I cannot speak of who signed without seeing it or who refused to sign or the like, especially with such a vague statement. I can say that the claim that this is an Eitz thing seems ridiculous on the face of it. R' Sarya Davlitzky, R Yehuda Silman, and the others on the letter from the Bais Din of Bnei Brak are most definitely not Eitz.



They are quite the opposite. I don't think I have ever seen the inside of the sefer, but calling them eitznicks is laughable.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #784 on: December 31, 2022, 08:00:05 PM »
They are quite the opposite. I don't think I have ever seen the inside of the sefer, but calling them eitznicks is laughable.
Eitz is at the forefront, Rav Shmuel Deutch started it off and הפלס picked it up for months. The Israeli Yates on the other hand refused to publish the Lakewood Kol Koreh.
The fact that there are some other people involved doesn’t change that. From what I understand, that specific group of people are more knaoish. They never called them eitznicks.

See here for more much info
https://forum.otzar.org/viewtopic.php?t=20852
You will find for example








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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #785 on: December 31, 2022, 08:48:22 PM »
Rav Malkiel spoke out strongly against the WZO while Rav Chaim z”l and ybcl”c Rav Shmuel held differently.
From Rabbi Feldmans article in the new Dialogue on the subject





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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #786 on: December 31, 2022, 09:09:27 PM »


Eitz is at the forefront, Rav Shmuel Deutch started it off and הפלס picked it up for months. The Israeli Yates on the other hand refused to publish the Lakewood Kol Koreh.
The fact that there are some other people involved doesn’t change that. From what I understand, that specific group of people are more knaoish. They never called them eitznicks.



Be that as it may, they are very much not eitz and to call it an eitz thing is laughable.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #787 on: December 31, 2022, 09:14:07 PM »

Be that as it may, they are very much not eitz and to call it an eitz thing is laughable.
The reference you referred to said it’s origins are from there. That’s 100% true. To suggest that this undermines this paper is totally pathetic.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #788 on: December 31, 2022, 09:36:40 PM »



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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #789 on: December 31, 2022, 09:49:45 PM »

What would be the major agenda here?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #790 on: December 31, 2022, 09:50:58 PM »
The reference you referred to said it’s origins are from there. That’s 100% true. To suggest that this undermines this paper is totally pathetic.
But why would that make any difference if a full range are against learning from it?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #791 on: December 31, 2022, 09:51:43 PM »
What would be the major agenda here?
Are you familiar with Reb Leib Mintzberg?

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #792 on: December 31, 2022, 09:54:27 PM »
But why would that make any difference if a full range are against learning from it?
Difference to what?

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #793 on: December 31, 2022, 09:57:33 PM »
Are you familiar with Reb Leib Mintzberg?
No
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #794 on: December 31, 2022, 09:58:44 PM »
Difference to what?
Whether the criticism should be brushed off
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #795 on: December 31, 2022, 10:00:13 PM »
Whether the criticism should be brushed off
Who brushed it off?

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #796 on: December 31, 2022, 10:02:15 PM »
Who brushed it off?
הנני הח"מ מכיר במישרין מרישא עד גמירא, באשר מוניתי במיוחד ע"י חברי הביד"צ העדה החרדית שליט"א להעבירו תחת שבט הביקורת. עברתי על כל הנכתב בזמנו, ואף חזרתי ועיינתי בו לעומק כמה וכמה שנים על הסדר, ומצאתיו כולו קודש, נקי מכל רבב, נשען מתחילה ועד סוף על מקורות איתנים ונאמנים ה"ה מפרשי התורה רבותינו הראשונים והאחרונים, בשפה ברורה ונעימה וטבולה ביראת שמים טהורה.
כמה יגיעות יגעו וכמה טרחות טרחו גם שאר העוסקים במלאכת הקודש להוציא דבר מתוקן מתחת ידם, ובכל זאת 'שגיאות מי יבין', והואיל והשגת ידו של אדם רחוקה מלהיות מושלמת, בקשתנו כבר שטוחה ועומדת מלפני הלומדים והמעיינים שלא למנוע מאיתנו טובה, ולהאיר עינינו בכל מקום שנמצא טעות או פגם, כדי שנוכל לתקנו במהדורות הבאות. העורכים והמבקרים כאחד ששים אל האמת כמוצאי שלל רב, כל הערה או הצעה מתקבלת בכבוד ובהערכה, ונבדקת ונשקלת בכובד ראש.
אמנם אף לא לעדותי הדברים צריכים, שכן כל מה שנכתב כאן ניתן לבדיקה ולבירור בקלות רבה, מאחר שכל העוסקים במלאכת הקודש נקובים בשמותם, ודרכי יצירת הקשר עמהם גלויים וברורים לכל דורש, ומן הדין היה שהמפורסמות הללו לא יהיו צריכות ראיה כל עיקר.
ויהי רצון שנזכה להגדיל תורה ולהאדירה ולהרבות כבוד שמים, וה' הטוב ישמור ויגן על שארית עמו, והאמת והשלום אהבו.
הרב פנחס חזן חתן הגה"ח רבי חיים אורי פריינד שליט"א - חבר הביד"צ העדה החרדית

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #797 on: December 31, 2022, 10:04:22 PM »
Who brushed it off?
That is the only reason to mention eitz in this context.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #798 on: December 31, 2022, 10:05:22 PM »
That is the only reason to mention eitz in this context.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #799 on: December 31, 2022, 10:19:25 PM »
That is the only reason to mention eitz in this context.
I have no understanding of your nitpicking.
It’s not relevant that extremists were behind the smear campaign that the signatories fell for hook line and sinker?