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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1540 on: November 20, 2023, 04:37:34 PM »

Tracked down the original and itís a distortion. He never said this about ďשמצילים אותנו במלחמותĒ.


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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1546 on: November 20, 2023, 08:58:49 PM »
https://twitter.com/DBashIdeas/status/1726711413383823410
Cool, does he say if he writes it in his book or who heard it from him?

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1547 on: November 20, 2023, 09:14:42 PM »
Involving both chief rabbis. Hmmm, shocker.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1548 on: November 20, 2023, 09:35:00 PM »
Cool, does he say if he writes it in his book or who heard it from him?

Ahem.

I recall once seeing a Hebrew Mishpacha magazine where the was a column by Rabbi Lau (written by someone on his behalf) in which there was a story which supposedly happened at a meeting of Shluchim in Russia. The story doesn't hold water due to timeline, and is actually an adaptation of a story from the time of the Tzemach Tzedek which is brought down in Zichron Yaakov (R' Y. Lifshitz).

I emailed Mishpacha editor, but as far as I could tell there was never a correction made.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1549 on: November 20, 2023, 10:17:12 PM »
Ahem.

I recall once seeing a Hebrew Mishpacha magazine where the was a column by Rabbi Lau (written by someone on his behalf) in which there was a story which supposedly happened at a meeting of Shluchim in Russia. The story doesn't hold water due to timeline, and is actually an adaptation of a story from the time of the Tzemach Tzedek which is brought down in Zichron Yaakov (R' Y. Lifshitz).

I emailed Mishpacha editor, but as far as I could tell there was never a correction made.
If itís not in the מקור ברוך it didnít happen.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1550 on: November 20, 2023, 10:25:22 PM »
Is there a good source for this story?

https://din.org.il/2022/05/04/%D7%97%D7%9C%D7%9C%D7%99-%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C/
This seems to be the original story for what itís worth:
וכבר התבטא פעם הגאון רבי שלמה זלמן אוירבך זצ"ל לאחד ממקורביו, כי עד שאנשים הולכים למרחקים לקברי הצדיקים, עליהם לדעת כי גם כאן בהר הסמוך (כוונתו היתה להר הרצל, הסמוך לבית וגן) יש כמה קברים של נשמות קדושות
Someone decided he meant הר הרצל

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1551 on: November 20, 2023, 10:32:29 PM »
If itís not in the מקור ברוך it didnít happen.

Ahem.
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1552 on: November 20, 2023, 10:34:24 PM »
This seems to be the original story for what itís worth:
וכבר התבטא פעם הגאון רבי שלמה זלמן אוירבך זצ"ל לאחד ממקורביו, כי עד שאנשים הולכים למרחקים לקברי הצדיקים, עליהם לדעת כי גם כאן בהר הסמוך (כוונתו היתה להר הרצל, הסמוך לבית וגן) יש כמה קברים של נשמות קדושות
Someone decided he meant הר הרצל
Where does that appear?

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1553 on: November 20, 2023, 10:34:33 PM »
Ahem.

I recall once seeing a Hebrew Mishpacha magazine where the was a column by Rabbi Lau (written by someone on his behalf) in which there was a story which supposedly happened at a meeting of Shluchim in Russia. The story doesn't hold water due to timeline, and is actually an adaptation of a story from the time of the Tzemach Tzedek which is brought down in Zichron Yaakov (R' Y. Lifshitz).

I emailed Mishpacha editor, but as far as I could tell there was never a correction made.
I remember hearing this about 20 years ago from a FM (a yerushalmi), but I don't know what her source is.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1554 on: November 20, 2023, 11:40:53 PM »
Where does that appear?

https://www.bhol.co.il/Forums/topic.asp?whichpage=3&topic_id=1982045

בטקס שהתקיים בבניני האומה אתמול, השתתף הרב הראשי לישראל (לשעבר) הרב לאו, וסיפר על מורו ורבו הרב שלמה זלמן אוירבך שפעם ניגש אליו בחור מישיבתו "קול תורה" בבית וגן, וביקש לו היות ויש לו מועקה בלב הוא רוצה ללכת להתפלל בקברי צדיקים בצפון, ענה לו הגרש"ז: למה לך להטריח את עצמך עד הצפון, כאן מעבר הכביש (הר הרצל) אתה יכול להתפלל על קברי גדולים שנהרגו על קדושת השם. ע"כ

The story kept morphing until:
ענה לו הרב: "כשאני מרגיש צורך להתפלל על קברי צדיקים, אני הולך להר הרצל, לקברי החיילים שנפלו על קידוש השם".

Iíd like to see a picture of RSĒZ on הר הרצל.

Apparently family members claim the whole story is bogus:

https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/שיחה:שלמה_זלמן_אוירבך

קברי חיילים
תגובה אחרונה: לפני שנתיים
הסיפור אודות התלמיד שאמר לו ללכת להתפלל בה הרצל לא מאומת, ואין עדות על כך שהסיפור אכן היה. בני משפחתו ומקורביו מכחישים את הסיפור, שלא מתאים לדעותיו של הרב, אף שלא השמיע אותם ברבים. חבל שסיפור כזה מופיע בתור עובדה, ללא שקיימת עדות ברורה או מקור אמין לסיפור הזה. מרוב ניפוח היה כבר מי שסיפר שהרב בעצמו היה עוצר בהר הרצל [1], דבר שלדעת תלמידיו ודאי לא היה.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1555 on: November 20, 2023, 11:50:39 PM »

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1556 on: November 21, 2023, 12:48:20 AM »
Quite obvious that if it was really a case of "כשאני מרגיש צורך להתפלל על קברי צדיקים, אני הולך להר הרצל, לקברי החיילים שנפלו על קידוש השם" then we would have better sources than Rav Lau. Besides of the fact that some stories are so bizarre that it's a waste of effort to debunk them. 

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1557 on: November 21, 2023, 04:00:16 AM »
Audio Machaa by Rav Aaron Ehrenfeld about divrei kefira that was said on a popular show featuring various guests

https://vocaroo.com/embed/1cZ5TdR8xYif

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1558 on: November 21, 2023, 08:18:25 AM »
Audio Machaa by Rav Aaron Ehrenfeld about divrei kefira that was said on a popular show featuring various guests

https://vocaroo.com/embed/1cZ5TdR8xYif
Wow seems he took this a bit too far
And we have to tell Hashem that we donít deserve this, we should not be matzdik the din, rather forcefully assert that we are innocent.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1559 on: November 21, 2023, 09:11:33 AM »
Can we have the original?