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When were hamans ten sons killed?
« on: March 01, 2018, 07:46:56 AM »
פרק ט פסוק ו says that the ten sons were killed but in פסוק י״ג it says that Esther asked for those same ones (see רש״י) to be hanged. And the Gemara מגילה טז says the reason we read the ten sons in one breath is because they all died in one shot, which I thought meant that they got hanged all in one shot but the passuk says clearly that they were killed before they got hanged.
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2018, 07:52:39 AM »
I cant answer before my Rebbi @ChaimMoskowitz
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 08:09:13 AM »
I cant answer before my Rebbi @ChaimMoskowitz
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 08:14:46 AM »
I cant answer before my Rebbi @ChaimMoskowitz
I also wouldnt dare speak before the ultimate poster @davidrotts63 had time to give his words of wisdom
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 08:18:32 AM »
What is the meaning of: There is a tomorrow that is now, and a tomorrow which is later.
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 08:21:03 AM »
What is the meaning of: There is a tomorrow that is now, and a tomorrow which is later.
Yesterday's tomorrow is now. Today's tomorrow is later.
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 08:22:48 AM »
Yesterday's tomorrow is now. Today's tomorrow is later.
Is that a prophesy?
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2018, 08:24:53 AM »
Is that a prophesy?
Was your quote a quote from a prophet?  Sounds more practical than prophetic.
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2018, 08:52:03 AM »
A figurative 'tomorrow' referring to some of point in the future

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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 09:07:10 AM »


פרק ט פסוק ו says that the ten sons were killed but in פסוק י״ג it says that Esther asked for those same ones (see רש״י) to be hanged. And the Gemara מגילה טז says the reason we read the ten sons in one breath is because they all died in one shot, which I thought meant that they got hanged all in one shot but the passuk says clearly that they were killed before they got hanged.
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I didn't think this was something deep, weren't they killed, and then hung?
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2018, 09:37:46 AM »
What is the meaning of: There is a tomorrow that is now, and a tomorrow which is later.
There's a literal tomorrow which is in this era of time and there's a non literal tomorrow which is later.
Yesterday's tomorrow is now. Today's tomorrow is later.
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2018, 09:39:03 AM »

I didn't think this was something deep, weren't they killed, and then hung?
but the Gemara in Megillah says that we say it in one breath because they all died at once, which I always assumed was because they were all hanged together but if they got killed first was it a נס that they happened to die at one time?

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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2018, 09:52:27 AM »
but the Gemara in Megillah says that we say it in one breath because they all died at once, which I always assumed was because they were all hanged together but if they got killed first was it a נס that they happened to die at one time?
A direct hit to their bunker would kill them all simultaneously.
If they were all fighting together.
If there were such fire power available.
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2018, 09:57:21 AM »
A direct hit to their bunker would kill them all simultaneously.
If they were all fighting together.
If there were such fire power available.
look at maharsha in Megillah there who says that they died when they got hanged

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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2018, 10:18:55 AM »
It seems pretty clear in the migilla that they were killed on the 13th, and they were hung on the 14th. As rashi says clearly:
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2018, 10:25:21 AM »
It seems pretty clear in the migilla that they were killed on the 13th, and they were hung on the 14th. As rashi says clearly:
exactly what I’m confused about

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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2018, 10:27:33 AM »
exactly what I’m confused about
The Maharsha is confusing you?
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2018, 10:28:09 AM »
The Maharsha is confusing you?
yes. Is he arguing on rashi?

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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2018, 10:33:51 AM »
yes. Is he arguing on rashi?
Apparently it's a Gamara in Migilla that says the נשמות left at same time, but it was on the 13th. And after they were dead they were hung.
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Re: When were hamans ten sons killed?
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2018, 10:53:29 AM »
Apparently it's a Gamara in Migilla that says the נשמות left at same time, but it was on the 13th. And after they were dead they were hung.
if they got hanged together and got killed then, then good. But since they got killed first the chasam sofer asks its אי אפשר לצמצם