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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2018, 10:58:10 AM »
This is simply not true, I've seen it many times on meat from many different hechsherim.
your comment is not true:) you have any evidence you wish to present or should we just take the word of a random commenter online...

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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2018, 11:04:42 AM »

This is not the case. Only one hechsher (i.E company) can use the beit yosef label.
I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. No company can hijack the a certain Halacha standard that only they are allowed to be called this name....
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2018, 11:10:23 AM »
Here you go..

Guess they are in trouble now...
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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2018, 11:13:52 AM »
Here you go..

Guess they are in trouble now...

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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2018, 11:28:27 AM »
Could it be that Monsey Glatt is the company name of the store, and Bais Yosef Beef Flanken is a description of the the product, like Cholov Yisroel Ice Cream?
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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2018, 11:34:23 AM »
... Anyone who checks the lung and finds it completely clean without any serches calls his meat beis yosef. The Rema is מקיל that even you find serches it is still kosher if it comes off a certain way which according to him means that there was never a hole there.
Thanks for that clarification. And what then is your understanding of the difference between kosher and glatt kosher?
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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2018, 11:46:50 AM »
Could it be that Monsey Glatt is the company name of the store, and Bais Yosef Beef Flanken is a description of the the product, like Cholov Yisroel Ice Cream?
Exactly. He claims that some guy can claim he owns cholov Yisrael and no one else can call his products cholov Yisrael..
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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2018, 11:47:32 AM »
Thanks for that clarification. And what then is your understanding of the difference between kosher and glatt kosher?
I believe non glatt means they don't check the lung if it's glatt or not... Not sure though
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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2018, 12:06:29 PM »
I believe non glatt means they don't check the lung if it's glatt or not... Not sure though
According to Rabbi Moshe Heinemann of Star-K, referenced earlier in this thread:

"Glatt kosher means that any adhesions found were exceptionally thin (like a sewing thread) and the adhesion peeled off easily, leaving no hole in the lung wall, and the adhesionless lung passed the air/water test.  Kosher means that the lung had adhesions which were thicker or wider in nature; however, upon removal they did not leave any hole in the lung wall and the lung passed the air/water test. Generally speaking, it was the custom of Ashkenazic Jews of European descent to eat both Beis Yosef Glatt and non-Glatt meats, and to accept both as kosher.  [Please note that Beis Yosef Glatt meat that is certified only by Sephardic hechsherim may rely on leniencies that are not acceptable to Ashkenazim.]"

https://www.star-k.org/articles/kashrus-kurrents/3473/making-the-cut-assuring-that-glatt-really-means-kosher/
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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2018, 12:34:18 PM »


This is not the case. Only one hechsher (i.E company) can use the beit yosef label.
This is pure and utter stupidity.

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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2018, 12:42:32 PM »
If he is referring to the logo then it makes sense but that is not what anyone here is talking about.

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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2018, 10:15:34 PM »
Thanks for that clarification. And what then is your understanding of the difference between kosher and glatt kosher?

Disclaimer: I am not a shochet or Bodek, this is my layman's understanding based on discussions with a shochet

A lung that has no sirchas is "glatt  Beis Yosef." (I've been told that this is 1 in 100 in American animals and even then it's because the Bodek pnim wasn't careful enough when checking)

 If it has sirchos that are small enough that they can be easily removed without making a hole  in the lung it is Glatt. (The question is what is considered "easily removed." There is no black and white answer, and it can change based on circumstances)
If the sircha can be removed without leaving a hole in the lung it is Kosher. (All of the stories you hear of bringing the lung to the Rov are in this category.)

 In America where, for many years, the animals belonged to goyim, and the butcher only bought it if it was kosher, it became possible to be makpid on only eating Glatt

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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2018, 11:05:37 PM »
Disclaimer: I am not a shochet or Bodek, this is my layman's understanding based on discussions with a shochet

A lung that has no sirchas is "glatt  Beis Yosef." (I've been told that this is 1 in 100 in American animals and even then it's because the Bodek pnim wasn't careful enough when checking)

 If it has sirchos that are small enough that they can be easily removed without making a hole  in the lung it is Glatt. (The question is what is considered "easily removed." There is no black and white answer, and it can change based on circumstances)
If the sircha can be removed without leaving a hole in the lung it is Kosher. (All of the stories you hear of bringing the lung to the Rov are in this category.)

 In America where, for many years, the animals belonged to goyim, and the butcher only bought it if it was kosher, it became possible to be makpid on only eating Glatt
the sircha you refer to can also be known as a rir . There are specific instances that the B"Y agrees to , if the rir is removed it is Kosher

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Re: What’s the difference between Kosher, Glatt Kosher, Bais Yosef?
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2018, 09:32:15 AM »
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