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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2018, 12:04:01 PM »
Tumblr is a type of site to easily post photos of terrible meals
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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2018, 07:10:33 PM »
Oh mylanta. If we need the government to step in because of poor KSMLs, we've got problems. Please leave them out of it, they have enough to do otherwise.

I really support @milechazzer's idea for a site, but I am nervous about Chillul Hashem issues.

I share that concern. I think it may be inevitable for a site like this to attract the attention of some "haters".  It would need to be titled and worded carefully to avoid sending the wrong message.  Will probably also need to be moderated by someone to keep the spam out.

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2018, 07:22:58 PM »
As an average traveler I’d like to be able to say that the main was ok, or was too salty, the roll was stale, or frozen (the latter could be airline’s fault but they should know what to improve), and that the dessert was canned sugary faux fruit, etcetera...

A required photo may be asking too much, as some people do not know how to do that, but you still want their input.

Without breaking it down to separate fields for comments on each dish, I think you should be able to post all your comments (e.g., too salty, frozen, dry, etc.) in a general comment field.  That being said, I think people really need to be encouraged to take a picture and upload it, since most of the story can probably be conveyed with a single picture, and I think the ultimate value of a site like this may be  just to showcase the contrasting appearance of meals between different airlines, caterers, etc.; how some airlines may be procuring much worse meals than other airlines, though from the exact same caterer; and how some airlines may be serving a meal that it 10x better for passengers traveling from Europe than the one served for passengers traveling from the US. So I really think you need to get people to post at least one photo, in order to help make an impact.

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2018, 08:47:45 PM »
I was just made aware of this thread after speaking to the owner of a large kosher airline caterer (whose meals are quite popular).

He basically made the same points as some of the above posts, that NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING.

He mentioned that they recently got a contract to supply a route where too many passengers complained about the subpar food.

He says that the catering managers are well aware of the substandard meals but are happy to continue with them as long as there isn't too much pushback.

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2018, 10:11:44 PM »
Thanks for chiming in. Any other insight you could share?
Is this a US-based caterer or foreign?
Is your understanding that airlines generally request the cheapest possible option from the caterer, and the caterer then does everything possible to keep costs down?
How much of a difference is there in the meals sold by the same caterer to different airlines?

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2018, 12:15:23 AM »
Here you go, someone get Jared Kushner and Ivanka to retweet this

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/kosher-food-airplanes
Did I read that right?  Equal Rights Amendment?
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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2018, 11:02:47 AM »
I share that concern. I think it may be inevitable for a site like this to attract the attention of some "haters".  It would need to be titled and worded carefully to avoid sending the wrong message.  Will probably also need to be moderated by someone to keep the spam out.
May it be successful enough that you actually get spam. :)

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2018, 04:23:24 PM »
Would say the same about the wine

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2018, 12:24:44 PM »
B6 KSML in mint.

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2018, 01:03:29 PM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/08/united-airlines-reducing-food-alcohol-options-first-class.html
Noted a United spokesman: "With all of our food offerings, we monitor customer feedback and what they would prefer and adjust accordingly."

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2018, 02:16:34 PM »
Guys shouldn't we be complaining to the top suppliers....what options do the airlines have?

Hermis from Londen?

From the U.S. Bornstein is really the only option. Instead of complaining to the airlines complain to Bornstein...especially as a Jewish company with the responsibility and privilege of being the exclusive provider of kosher meals they really should take it upon themselves to up their game...also why not take a little profit loss and offer even the economy meals to be a little substantial.


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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2018, 02:29:31 PM »
Guys shouldn't we be complaining to the top suppliers....what options do the airlines have?

Hermis from Londen?

From the U.S. Bornstein is really the only option. Instead of complaining to the airlines complain to Bornstein...especially as a Jewish company with the responsibility and privilege of being the exclusive provider of kosher meals they really should take it upon themselves to up their game...also why not take a little profit loss and offer even the economy meals to be a little substantial.
There are others
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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2018, 04:05:58 PM »
I feel like I've seen this thread before, a few years ago. paging @TimT
Ultimately, no one is picking an airline based on the KSML, and they know that.

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2018, 04:10:48 PM »
I was just made aware of this thread after speaking to the owner of a large kosher airline caterer (whose meals are quite popular).

He basically made the same points as some of the above posts, that NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING.

He mentioned that they recently got a contract to supply a route where too many passengers complained about the subpar food.

He says that the catering managers are well aware of the substandard meals but are happy to continue with them as long as there isn't too much pushback.
I realize this was a while ago but I'm just seeing it now.
Was this one of my neighbors, Moshe or Mendel?

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2018, 04:12:03 PM »
I feel like I've seen this thread before, a few years ago. paging @TimT
Ultimately, no one is picking an airline based on the KSML, and they know that.

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Just look at how the meal keeps getting brought up when people discuss ElAl. Why is the meal any less a part of the product than anything else? Will other aspects trump the meal, yes, but it should certainly be taken into account.

THIS they certainly know. Just look at the attention some airlines give to the regular premium class meals.
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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2018, 04:27:22 PM »
Guys shouldn't we be complaining to the top suppliers....what options do the airlines have?

Hermis from Londen?

From the U.S. Bornstein is really the only option. Instead of complaining to the airlines complain to Bornstein...especially as a Jewish company with the responsibility and privilege of being the exclusive provider of kosher meals they really should take it upon themselves to up their game...also why not take a little profit loss and offer even the economy meals to be a little substantial.
When was the last time you saw someone voluntarily take a profit loss?

Any update on the site @milechazzer?

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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2018, 04:50:39 PM »
Sometimes when I look at certain meals I think we'd be better off with a bagel, closed pack of cream cheese and a bag of chips.
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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2018, 04:52:14 PM »
Sometimes when I look at certain meals I think we'd be better off with a bagel, closed pack of cream cheese and a bag of chips.
That was part of the KSML I had here :)
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Re: Kosher Meals - Can we do better?
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2018, 05:09:43 PM »
This was the meal I had 2 weeks after Pesach :(

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