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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2018, 09:47:39 AM »
Don't worry, as the #metoo movement grows, soon it will be illegal for a man to sit next to a woman. (I'm only half joking)

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2018, 11:13:01 AM »
If you won't sit next to a woman under any circumstances, you have to buy 2 seats or sit in a single seat configuration. In the case of AF, they have a whole policy about it! https://www.airfrance.us/US/en/common/guidevoyageur/assistance/particuliere_pfc.htm

Assuming PAX didn't attempt to do this, it's his fault.

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2018, 11:24:36 AM »
Interesting. They refund the second seat if there's an empty seat anywhere in Economy on the plane. And you don't pay taxes. I'm assuming that includes YQ?

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2018, 12:47:03 PM »
If you won't sit next to a woman under any circumstances, you have to buy 2 seats or sit in a single seat configuration. In the case of AF, they have a whole policy about it! https://www.airfrance.us/US/en/common/guidevoyageur/assistance/particuliere_pfc.htm

Assuming PAX didn't attempt to do this, it's his fault.
Never heard of this deal for buying a 2nd seat to accommodate your girth.
Certainly wouldn't have thought of using it to avoid the wrong seatmate.
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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2018, 12:58:15 PM »
Never heard of this deal for buying a 2nd seat to accommodate your girth.
Certainly wouldn't have thought of using it to avoid the wrong seatmate.
Every airline has different policies on this, but unless one works out an arrangement with the airline ahead of time, one cannot assume their religious needs would be honored.

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2018, 02:39:00 PM »
We had this PC discussion on DDF a few times already.
Kiddsh hashem vs Chilul hashem, the true meaning.

There are quite a few poskin that hold it's asuer. So sitting down for some is not even an option.
In that case, it's your responsibility to do what it takes to make those arrangements without inconveniencing the airline. They are not Jewish, and therefore you are forcing your religion on them. When this issue is dealt with in a polite and proper fashion, it's usually resolved without delay or conflict.
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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2018, 03:09:53 PM »
Golus is becoming way too comfortable for us. We feel entitled. Some of us will blow it for the rest of us.

If someone's psak says not to sit next to a woman under any circumstances, he really needs to limit flying to almost never. It means being ready to ask politely once, and if not forthcoming to walk off the plane and forfeit the tickets.

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2018, 03:19:35 PM »
Golus is becoming way too comfortable for us. We feel entitled. Some of us will blow it for the rest of us.

If someone's psak says not to sit next to a woman under any circumstances, he really needs to limit flying to almost never. It means being ready to ask politely once, and if not forthcoming to walk off the plane and forfeit the tickets.
Exactly. It's not the best to be on a plane full of woman either, regardless of whether or not you're sitting next to them... I respect others for the level they're on, that I may not be on, but once you start pushing it on others, there is a problem.
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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2018, 05:37:07 PM »
Golus is becoming way too comfortable for us. We feel entitled. Some of us will blow it for the rest of us.

If someone's psak says not to sit next to a woman under any circumstances, he really needs to limit flying to almost never. It means being ready to ask politely once, and if not forthcoming to walk off the plane and forfeit the tickets.
Back in the day there were rabbanim who did exactly that. One in particular that i know of flew often enough that the airport staff already knew not to put him next to a woman.
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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2018, 07:51:28 PM »
Back in the day there were rabbanim who did exactly that. One in particular that i know of flew often enough that the airport staff already knew not to put him next to a woman.
Can airport staff see what is gender of passengers?

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2018, 07:54:43 PM »
Can airport staff see what is gender of passengers?
Sure

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2018, 01:23:38 AM »
If you won't sit next to a woman under any circumstances, you have to buy 2 seats or sit in a single seat configuration. In the case of AF, they have a whole policy about it! https://www.airfrance.us/US/en/common/guidevoyageur/assistance/particuliere_pfc.htm

Assuming PAX didn't attempt to do this, it's his fault.
Very Interesting.
Back in the day there were rabbanim who did exactly that. One in particular that i know of flew often enough that the airport staff already knew not to put him next to a woman.
Would never happen today...

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2018, 01:44:07 AM »
https://www.airfrance.us/US/en/common/guidevoyageur/assistance/particuliere_pfc.htm

Very interesting

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* The 2nd seat is offered tax-free and with a 25% reduction on the passenger's initial seat fare

Need to keep in mind when they come up with insane fares that are mostly YQ. If only they would allow one to book a 3rd or even 4th seat under those terms, one could get real lie flat (if a little uneven) in economy.
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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2018, 07:11:02 AM »
This seems like a great way to book a seat for an infant.

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2018, 08:20:31 AM »
This seems like a great way to book a seat for an infant.
Your still taking the chance of paying another ticket (-25%)

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2018, 08:43:14 AM »
Your still taking the chance of paying another ticket (-25%)
-YQ etc.
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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2018, 08:56:23 AM »
-YQ etc.
Where does it say -YQ, maybe only mines Gov. taxes?

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2018, 09:29:44 AM »
This seems like a great way to book a seat for an infant.
Between paying for the infants ticket (10%?) and the seat, there's not much savings left.

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2018, 10:23:09 AM »
Very interesting

Need to keep in mind when they come up with insane fares that are mostly YQ. If only they would allow one to book a 3rd or even 4th seat under those terms, one could get real lie flat (if a little uneven) in economy.
Question is if they would honor it if you book by phone...

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2018, 01:44:16 PM »
Curious if they'll actually deny this if a person is thin enough.