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As a DDF member do you hold one day in Israel?

One day
13 (35.1%)
Two Day
22 (59.5%)
Its still chag but I reply anyway
2 (5.4%)

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Re: One day or two
« Reply #90 on: May 27, 2018, 08:09:56 AM »
We saw lots of non-Israeli/non-chabad people doing one day...
Sfard, Ashkenaz, chasidish, not chasidish?

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Re: One day or two
« Reply #91 on: May 27, 2018, 08:14:07 AM »
We saw lots of non-Israeli/non-chabad people doing one day...
I don't want to sound judgemental, and if I do too bad, but, frum?
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Re: One day or two
« Reply #92 on: May 27, 2018, 08:16:41 AM »
Y'all seem very sheltered...
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Re: One day or two
« Reply #93 on: May 27, 2018, 08:23:55 AM »
Y'all seem very sheltered...
That very well may be. But AFAIK as @aygart pointed out the practically universal Psak for litvish Ashkenazim is to go by your home town. It is to a point where I will ask that question when I heard what you said.....
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Re: One day or two
« Reply #94 on: May 27, 2018, 08:27:13 AM »
Y'all seem very sheltered...
Thanks for the complement.

All chasidusin IMHO have there minhagim and hold 2 days, sfardim iirc hold 1, Chabad confused, those that belong to local kehila depend on their ruv, a belzer bobover geererr satmar.... Wouldn't even ask a shaila unless they are (planning) to make an Aliya.

And that explains
I think that for non-lubavitch the psak is going to be pretty clear that they should keep two days. Every cheder ingle knows that.

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Re: One day or two
« Reply #95 on: May 27, 2018, 09:20:33 AM »
r' shlomo zalman told my grandmother to do one day as einiklich of the chacham tzvi
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Re: One day or two
« Reply #96 on: May 27, 2018, 09:26:17 AM »
We saw lots of non-Israeli/non-chabad people doing one day...

My memory tells me R' JB held you should do one day in Israel.
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Re: One day or two
« Reply #97 on: May 28, 2018, 04:33:10 AM »
My memory tells me R' JB held you should do one day in Israel.
Never heard that. Sefardim, chabad, and people who go regularly for all 3 regalim (based on RSZA) are the usual suspects. The more zionistic MO crowd will look for a way to keep one day. Family with or without its not generally a factor outside of chabad. Chacham Zvi is used as a tziruf.

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Re: One day or two
« Reply #98 on: May 28, 2018, 12:11:34 PM »
The more zionistic MO crowd will look for a way to keep one day.
And I thought that only Lubavitchers are allowed to do that.

All joking aside, I think the statement that
Chabad [is] confused

is a rather accurate portrayal of the situation regarding how many days to keep in different scenarios.

And the reason is probably
due to the fact that there have been seemingly contradicting indications from the Rebbe on this topic,

I am no expert or בקיא in this הלכה, but I have a סברא that I would like to offer as a possible explanations to the various rulings.

We see that in this specific הלכה, it is dependent not only on the circumstances, but rather on the דעת of the person in question. The unequivocal rulings assume a certain prevailing דעת of a person in such a circumstance, whereas the ones which are individual rulings, rather than by the book (I.e. where soft facts are involved, rather than just a psak that can be seemingly given based on hard facts) give more weight to the individual דעת. (And I would add that even the דעת of being a descendent of the חכם צבי, might affect the ruling).

R' Mendel Futerfas accepted the position of משפיע in Kfar Chabad, on "condition" that he is there אדעתא דרביה. As such, IINM in all his years living in Kfar Chabad he kept two days even when he was there for YT. His grandson does the same to this very day.

And that might answer @Ergel's question to me regarding the relevance of the reference I pointed to here. What those quotes show is the (potential) strength of the דעת of a Lubavitcher of where he feels at home (as in the opposite of בנים שגלו מעל שולחן אביהם).

Yet, this דעת can be very individualized, and furthermore could evolve, this might be somewhat akin to the not sleeping in the Sukkah issue, with the explanation the Rebbe bring about מצטער פטור מן הסוכה.
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