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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #80 on: June 15, 2018, 08:08:35 AM »
Did they provoke NK? Yes. Then they were provocative. The whole point of the exercise was to flex muscle in the neighborhood. If NK is seemingly on board, then the need to flex muscle diminishes. Funny how not too long ago when they were having their "size matters" tit for tat he was warmongering, now he's appeasing. He is disruptive, we get it. The old way didnt work for 65 years. Why cant he try something different?

BO's responses emboldened our enemies. "Red line" in Syria is clear proof of that. He was fickle, spineless, gutless. Maybe it wasnt appeasement. It was weakness.
I guess you never been in the military. Exercises are for reediness also. Thanks for the Trumpster answer. Anyone want to try an honest answer?
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #81 on: June 15, 2018, 08:11:19 AM »
It case you don't know what an honest answer looks like.  :)
Anything good come out of the summit?
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #82 on: June 15, 2018, 08:34:20 AM »
I guess you never been in the military. Exercises are for reediness also. Thanks for the Trumpster answer. Anyone want to try an honest answer?
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #83 on: June 15, 2018, 08:36:01 AM »
Thank you for your service.
I never said I served.  ;)
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #84 on: June 15, 2018, 08:37:47 AM »
I never said I served.  ;)
But you feel like you're qualified to opine about why a military would conduct exercises and what constitutes an honest answer? Thank you for playing.
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #85 on: June 15, 2018, 08:56:15 AM »
I'm not sure, why people are having difficulty understanding that Trump's Praise of Kim and mounting excitement over a nothingburger is nothing more then negotiating tactics. Similar to his foolish tweets "my button is bigger then yours". Who would have dreamed that those tweets would have lead or at least not derailed the summit. IMHO give the man a few more minutes and let's see where this goes..

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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #86 on: June 15, 2018, 09:04:03 AM »
I'm not sure, why people are having difficulty understanding that Trump's Praise of Kim and mounting excitement over a nothingburger is nothing more then negotiating tactics. Similar to his foolish tweets "my button is bigger then yours". Who would have dreamed that those tweets would have lead or at least not derailed the summit. IMHO give the man a few more minutes and let's see where this goes..

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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #87 on: June 15, 2018, 09:07:37 AM »
AKA, he can do or say no wrong.
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #88 on: June 15, 2018, 09:08:31 AM »
AKA, he can do or say no wrong.
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #89 on: June 15, 2018, 09:13:35 AM »
AKA, he can do or say nothing right.



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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #90 on: June 15, 2018, 09:17:57 AM »
AKA, he can do or say no wrong.
No everything is Zero sum. #NeverTrump is alive and well, contrary to reports of its demise upthread.

He can and does do things "wrong" (more accurately, "different"). The tactics of previous administrations are clearly not working. So non-conventional is the way he does it.   
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2018, 09:18:23 AM »
FTFY
The only problem with that is you are wrong and like the rest here you can't be honest. I thought you were different.
Anything good come out of the summit?
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #92 on: June 15, 2018, 09:19:58 AM »
AKA, he can do or say no wrong.
Why is not Jumping up and down about NK "aka can do nothin wrong"?

Is Trump an idiot for saying those things about NK? Yes
Have we seen any major concessions out of NK - No
Are there some real concerns?- Yes

But there are many that feel that this was productive. I can't say that I'm supportive of the move, I'm see here 2 legitimate opinions.


https://cnn/2018/06/12/politics/clapper-trump-kim-korea-summit-cnntv/index.html


Clapper said that when he had visited North Korea in 2014 as intelligence director, he saw the US' and North Korea's commitments to their established positions as problematic in the diplomatic process.

"It struck me how stuck on their narrative they were and how stuck we were on our narrative," Clapper said, "and emblematic of that were the talking points that I was assigned to recite to the North Koreans, the first line of which was 'You must denuclearize before we'll talk to you.'"

"The only way this narrative was going to change was if the bigger partner, meaning the United States, changed it, and President Trump, I think to his credit, has done that," he said.

However, Clapper also cast doubt on Trump's motives in negotiations.
these arguments are so stupid. everyone who likes Trump thinks it's the greatest diplomatic move since Reagan and everyone who dislikes Trump  (you included CM. don't waste your breath)thinks it's the most crazy diplomatoc move since Chamberlain.
confirmation bias much?
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #93 on: June 15, 2018, 09:20:43 AM »
He can and does do things "wrong" (more accurately, "different").
So in your mind if something he does is wrong you look at it as "different". That seems logical to me.  ::)
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #94 on: June 15, 2018, 09:23:54 AM »


AKA, he can do or say no wrong.


What part of the short sentence are you having trouble understanding?

Seriously speaking though, why do we have to be so quick to judge?


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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #95 on: June 15, 2018, 09:26:17 AM »
So in your mind if something he does is wrong you look at it as "different". That seems logical to me.  ::)
BEcasue you disagree with it does not automatically make it wrong. It may be different than your conventional way of doing things and still be right. Give me an honest answer. Is everything he does a zero sum game, where its either black or white or can you agree that there is grey too?
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #96 on: June 15, 2018, 09:27:45 AM »
The only problem with that is you are wrong and like the rest here you can't be honest. I thought you were different.

 Not so sure we're getting back our fallen heros....I'll believe it when I see it

I can't say that I'm supportive of the move, I'm see here 2 legitimate opinions.

I'm also not sure why if I'm not in either camp makes me "worng and dishonest"...

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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #97 on: June 15, 2018, 09:31:12 AM »
BEcasue you disagree with it does not automatically make it wrong. It may be different than your conventional way of doing things and still be right. Give me an honest answer. Is everything he does a zero sum game, where its either black or white or can you agree that there is grey too?
There is always grey areas. There is a positive that came out of this summit it just wasn't CVID.

This has nothing to do with things that he does "wrong" and you choose to look it as "different". That just shows you can't ever be objective when it comes to Trump.
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #98 on: June 15, 2018, 09:35:34 AM »
I'm also not sure why if I'm not in either camp makes me "worng and dishonest"...
"AKA, he can do or say nothing right."
That was wrong and dishonest. Trump does things and says things that are right. They are just way over shadowed by the wrong things he does.
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Re: NK Summit
« Reply #99 on: June 15, 2018, 09:38:04 AM »
"AKA, he can do or say nothing right."
That was wrong and dishonest. Trump does things and says things that are right. They are just way over shadowed by the wrong things he does.
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