Author Topic: Uh oh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander   (Read 11877 times)

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Re: Oh uh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #90 on: June 17, 2018, 12:40:12 AM »
It seems that El Al contacted mendel hendel to have kosher food ready. 
Based on a whatsapp voice note from a shliach who contacted hendel about one of his community members that was on the flight

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Re: Oh uh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #91 on: June 17, 2018, 12:48:40 AM »
A plane is debatable if it's called violating Halacha. It's not a car where there is traffic on the way etc. If the plane takes off on time it's a 99% chance to make it in Israel on time for shabbos.

You saw that from a posek? Curious.

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Re: Oh uh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #92 on: June 17, 2018, 01:07:43 AM »
In other news. UA90 is delayed tonight for 7.5 hours. Who would thought that this can happen at a home base?
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Re: Oh uh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #93 on: June 17, 2018, 01:16:47 AM »
How has a mod not changed the title to "uh oh" yet?

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Re: Oh uh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #94 on: June 17, 2018, 01:20:41 AM »
How has a mod not changed the title to "uh oh" yet?
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Re: Oh uh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #95 on: June 17, 2018, 01:31:50 AM »
How has a mod not changed the title to "uh oh" yet?
Maybe it's not a typo. I read it like someone casually telling you something "oh uh btw..."
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Re: Oh uh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #96 on: June 17, 2018, 02:22:17 AM »
How has a mod not changed the title to "uh oh" yet?

I was waiting to see if I was the only one noticing it ;D.

Changed.

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Re: Oh uh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #97 on: June 17, 2018, 03:08:37 AM »
I was waiting to see if I was the only one noticing it ;D.

Changed.

LMAO. When I saw this:


How has a mod not changed the title to "uh oh" yet?
...I was about to write “paging @Something Fishy...” ;D

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Re: Uh oh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #98 on: June 17, 2018, 03:13:04 AM »
So... this is El Al’s second (recent) diversion to a lesser-known Canadian airport. I guess it’s true what they say, after all: What’s good for the Goose [Bay] is good for...  :D

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Re: Uh oh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #99 on: June 17, 2018, 03:18:25 AM »
Quite comical how bad they reported on this story & the article came out this morning, so it shouldn’t have been too hard to get the details straight.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/247552

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Re: Uh oh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #100 on: June 17, 2018, 03:18:27 AM »
So... this is El Al’s second (recent) diversion to a lesser-known Canadian airport. I guess it’s true what they say, after all: What’s good for the Goose [Bay] is good for...  :D


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Re: Uh oh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #101 on: June 17, 2018, 06:38:23 AM »
What happened to them?

American Airlines (@AmericanAir) Tweeted:
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Re: Uh oh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #103 on: June 17, 2018, 10:00:27 AM »
My sister who was stranded in Athens shared some details on the extremely disappointing experience which is described below.

El Al straight up lied to passengers when they were in Canada saying they had not enough time to get to TLV before shabbos but they will be landing in London with ample time before shabbos and provide accommodations to all that needed. Non-observant jews or non-Jewish passengers will have option to be booked with a another carrier to get them to Israel Friday evening.

Most passengers were informed officially only once they were on the way that they are not going to London but rather ATH and they will have no issues getting to their accommodations before shabbos. Upon arrival, the 747 would continue on to TLV on shabbos and will take only crew since no “passengers” are allowed to fly on shabbos. They provided two flights Friday evening on another carrier for non-observant passengers to continue on to TLV on shabbos.

Now what actually happened was this...the only hotel near the airport in Athens had only a few rooms to spare and as many religious Jews crammed into them as possible (4-5 rooms available). Others who preferred to have hotel vs staying in airport for shabbos were left with taking a bus on shabbos to a further hotel since they basically landed minutes before it started. Many passengers opted to just take flight back on shabbos because once they arrived they realized they were in for a miserable experience. Others stayed in terminal. It was going around that the reason for switching to ATH vs London was that they figured a shabbos in London would mean all 400+ passengers would want to stay in a hotel and cost a lot more money. Going to ATH with the knowledge that it lacked accommodations and is not as interesting of a place to explore like London many of the passengers would opt just to continue to TLV on shabbos later in the evening, which is what happened. In addition, the cost of flying the passengers from ATH to TLV also saves a lot of money.


My thoughts on the matter since everyone else seems to have a take on this - I am saddened that fellow jews on here have harsh critiques of the religious passengers who took this flight. Although I understand some have a sudden necessity to share opinions on the matter you can’t know for certain every individual circumstances that brought them to taking this flight (medical, family emergency...)so not right to judge them or anyone for that matter. El-Al as a carrier knows the shabbos restriction it must oblige by and maybe it was naive to think that they would create a flight schedule with enough time that would accommodate circumstances like this one. Furthermore, once they knew they had an issue they did not act in good faith and mislead many of the passengers in regards to how they planned on handling the situation. I am sure every religious person stranded has learnt their lesson after this experience.

I don’t blame El-Al for making a business decision and limiting its financial loss given it’s just that - a business after all. That being said, they shouldn’t be blindly trusted in the future (nor should anyone be) to be your trusted “religious” sensitive airline of choice. Perception by many is that El-Al is trusted to put religious sensitivity as a priority similar to its unique security measures that sets it apart. Clearly this is a misguided mistake. Many passengers on board felt helpless in the matter and if the airline wanted they could have provided better alternative options to its passengers or at the very least communicated better with passengers on the flight.
Update: Apparently the hotel booked across from the airport in Athens were private bookings not through the airline. The quick thinking passengers who booked those few rooms available were gracious enough to take in as many as possible. ElAl offered shared hotel rooms for shabbos but had to go on a bus on shabbos to get there. So the airline left some passengers with a choice, break shabbos by taking bus to hotel or break shabbos by flying back on later flight...what a great position to be in. A few people realized the dilemma and opted to stay in the airport so as to not break shabbos. No lounge was offered or available to stay in while there unless you had alternative means to access them on your own.

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Re: Oh uh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander 
« Reply #104 on: June 17, 2018, 10:10:00 AM »
In other news. UA90 is delayed tonight for 7.5 hours. Who would thought that this can happen at a home base?
was delayed 21 hours last week