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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2018, 02:41:29 PM »
The Rebbe was a fan of El Al:  ;)

See letter of the Rebbe‘s secretariat published in The Letter and the Spirit page 244:
―As a matter of fact, far from discouraging Jews from traveling via El Al, the Rebbe
favors this line as evidenced by the fact that this year too, the Lubavitcher Chasidim
coming to visit the Rebbe from Kfar Chabad made their round trip via El Al. See
also the Rebbe‘s letter to Rabbi Shlomo Yosef Zevin dated 23rd Tamuz 5716, Igrot kodesh vol. 13 page 293
 מובן שנסיעתם נסתדרה שבכל מקום האפשרי יסעו דוקא באל על וכדרז"ל עה"פ קנה מיד עמיתך.

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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2018, 02:51:00 PM »
Why should that matter?
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2018, 03:06:13 PM »
Why should that matter?

I think there are two reasons:

1. The reason stated of קנה מיד עמיתך.
2. Though we all know that ELAL is far from being שומר שבת, there is definitely a פרהסיא value to the fact that they don't schedule any flights to operate on Shabbos or יו"ט (though they do publicly operate on יו"ט שני של גלויות). And that should be treated with ימין מקרבת.

The above notwithstanding. I personally choose not to do business with ELAL due to my personal experience with them (as well as other negatives).
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2018, 04:26:28 PM »
The Rebbe was a fan of El Al:  ;)

See letter of the Rebbe‘s secretariat published in The Letter and the Spirit page 244:
―As a matter of fact, far from discouraging Jews from traveling via El Al, the Rebbe
favors this line as evidenced by the fact that this year too, the Lubavitcher Chasidim
coming to visit the Rebbe from Kfar Chabad made their round trip via El Al. See
also the Rebbe‘s letter to Rabbi Shlomo Yosef Zevin dated 23rd Tamuz 5716, Igrot kodesh vol. 13 page 293
 מובן שנסיעתם נסתדרה שבכל מקום האפשרי יסעו דוקא באל על וכדרז"ל עה"פ קנה מיד עמיתך.
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #109 on: November 18, 2018, 01:03:12 AM »
Dansdeals has more hate for elal. Hmm I'm starting to think maybe there's actually something to it
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #110 on: November 18, 2018, 01:12:47 AM »
Maybe stating the pilot lied should have been worded differently until all the facts are known.
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2018, 01:17:31 AM »
Maybe stating the pilot lied should have been worded differently until all the facts are known.
What facts would change it to not be a lie?

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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #112 on: November 18, 2018, 01:20:44 AM »
What facts would change it to not be a lie?
If he planned to let them off but was told after the fact to take off instead. If we are going to consider that a lie then it would also be a lie if I said I was going to pick you up at 6:30 but didn't because I was hit by a truck.
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #113 on: November 18, 2018, 01:23:16 AM »
If he planned to let them off but was told after the fact to take off instead. If we are going to consider that a lie then it would also be a lie if I said I was going to pick you up at 6:30 but didn't because I was hit by a truck.
It's a lot easier to get on the PA system and tell passengers that you were denied a return to the gate, than to call me post mortem.
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #114 on: November 18, 2018, 01:24:55 AM »
If he planned to let them off but was told after the fact to take off instead. If we are going to consider that a lie then it would also be a lie if I said I was going to pick you up at 6:30 but didn't because I was hit by a truck.
If this were the case then he should have picked up the PA and said that. He never once said that and I've now spoken to multiple people on this flight.
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #115 on: November 18, 2018, 01:27:22 AM »
It's a lot easier to get on the PA system and tell passengers that you were denied a return to the gate, than to call me post mortem.
Might be easier but no different. My point is if he didn't know ahead of time he could not return to the gate then IMHO it is not a lie. If this was the case for sure he didn't trick anyone. If it turns out he didn't trick anyone does that mean Dan lied to us? Of course not!!!
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #116 on: November 18, 2018, 01:28:23 AM »
If this were the case then he should have picked up the PA and said that.
I agree but the point is still if he knew before the fact to make it a lie.
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #117 on: November 18, 2018, 01:30:55 AM »
I agree but the point is still if he knew before the fact to make it a lie.
We'll never know this information, but a normal compassionate human being would explain why he didn't just pull off what appeared to be a brazen lie.
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #118 on: November 18, 2018, 01:37:50 AM »
Might be easier but no different. My point is if he didn't know ahead of time he could not return to the gate then IMHO it is not a lie. If this was the case for sure he didn't trick anyone. If it turns out he didn't trick anyone does that mean Dan lied to us? Of course not!!!
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Re: Why does DansDeals hate Elal?
« Reply #119 on: November 18, 2018, 01:38:29 AM »
We'll never know this information, but a normal compassionate human being would explain why he didn't just pull off what appeared to be a brazen lie.
The information might come out and I agree he should have explained. Now we are up to a "brazen lie"?  :)
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