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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2018, 04:29:50 PM »
Anyone following the controversy in Israel with ELAL moving woman for Haredi man.
With out going in to details of the story (it has been debated a million times)

The way elal replies and is busy putting off the bad press... and the way it handled the 002 shabbos issue just shows what the orthodox passenger means for elal.
It can be understood why DDF as the majority is orthodox hates ELAL. They just don't care for an orthodox passenger.



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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2018, 04:47:41 PM »
Anyone following the controversy in Israel with ELAL moving woman for Haredi man.
With out going in to details of the story (it has been debated a million times)

The way elal replies and is busy putting off the bad press... and the way it handled the 002 shabbos issue just shows what the orthodox passenger means for elal.
It can be understood why DDF as the majority is orthodox hates ELAL. They just don't care for an orthodox passenger.



https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5296284,00.html

This story needs to be taken in context. There's a wave of hatred and anti-semitism towards anything Jewish going on right now in Israel (which B.H. is starting to backfire, but there's still a long way to go - we know that the liberals/progressives only care about the rights of the "right" kind of people). The ELAL response in this case isn't anti-orthodox IMHO, it's PR/damage-control in a measured way. After all, if someone refuses to sit next to another passenger, it's their problem, not the other passenger's problem. The fact that the noisy liberal-progressives choose to make an issue out of it rather than dealing with it in a civil manner, is just an unfortunate situation, and bez"h גם זה יעבור.

The one's that need to be called out here are the people at NICE for threatening strong-arm tactics rather than seeking tolerance and an amicable solution.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2018, 04:52:07 PM »
The one's that need to be called out here are the people at NICE for threatening strong-arm tactics rather than seeking tolerance and an amicable solution.
Is an amicable solution possible when strong religious beliefs are involved?
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2018, 04:54:50 PM »
Is an amicable solution possible when strong religious beliefs are involved?
Yes.

For example, designate male only and female only rows or seat blocks (probably won't need more than one of each at most) and post the policy clearly: you can choose a male only row or block, if you fail to do so and refuse assigned seat due to gender of person assigned to the seat next to you, you will be given the option to resolve on your own or deplane within 3 minutes.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2018, 04:55:50 PM »
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2018, 04:58:02 PM »
You have one in mind?
See my post edit above.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2018, 05:00:14 PM »
Yes.

For example, designate male only and female only rows or seat blocks (probably won't need more than one of each at most) and post the policy clearly: you can choose a male only row or block, if you fail to do so and refuse assigned seat due to gender of person assigned to the seat next to you, you will be given the option to resolve on your own or deplane within 3 minutes.
How many they will need will depend on route and time of year, but such a solution had been used successfully by Tower Air.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2018, 05:01:58 PM »
How many they will need will depend on route and time of year, but such a solution had been used successfully by Tower Air.
Well, every airline actively engages in inventory management (fare buckets), this kind of inventory management is small change compared to the fare bucket management.

I don't know much about Tower Air A"H, but the fact that ELAL hasn't come up with this simple solution up to this day, is just another piece of evidence to what I've been saying about their flawed DNA.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2018, 05:02:42 PM »
Well, every airline actively engages in inventory management (fare buckets), this kind of inventory management is small change compared to the fare bucket management.
of course.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2018, 05:03:28 PM »
Yes.

For example, designate male only and female only rows or seat blocks (probably won't need more than one of each at most) and post the policy clearly: you can choose a male only row or block, if you fail to do so and refuse assigned seat due to gender of person assigned to the seat next to you, you will be given the option to resolve on your own or deplane within 3 minutes.
What will they do when @ChaimMoskowitz chooses the female one ;)

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #85 on: June 25, 2018, 05:04:34 PM »
What will they do when @ChaimMoskowitz chooses the female one ;)


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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #86 on: June 25, 2018, 05:04:50 PM »
What will they do when @ChaimMoskowitz chooses the female one ;)
That's small change compared to people who choose their gender on a daily basis. They might have to limit the availability of those seat blocks based on residential zipcode (with some serious challenge questions required in order to avoid fraud).

Alternatively, just like they do for the TSA (and other airport security agencies) pat-downs, they can designate a male and female checker to verify based on objective criteria below the waistline.

And if indeed someone is caught selecting a seat assigned to a different gender, that person would have to pay for a seat elsewhere.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #87 on: June 25, 2018, 05:15:21 PM »
That's small change compared to people who choose their gender on a daily basis. They might have to limit the availability of those seat blocks based on residential zipcode (with some serious challenge questions required in order to avoid fraud).

Alternatively, just like they do for the TSA (and other airport security agencies) pat-downs, they can designate a male and female checker to verify based on objective criteria below the waistline.

And if indeed someone is caught selecting a seat assigned to a different gender, that person would have to pay for a seat elsewhere.
Sounds like it would cause more problems, than the already problem ridden airline has.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #88 on: June 25, 2018, 05:16:43 PM »
What will they do when @ChaimMoskowitz chooses the female one ;)
I would ask the ladies if it was OK first.


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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #89 on: June 25, 2018, 05:17:23 PM »
I would ask the ladies if it was OK first.
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