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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2018, 11:57:41 AM »
what about all the people who will lose jobs bc of this?
Whoever made the decision to fly to ATH instead of ZRH deserves to lose their job. They cost their airline many frum travelers who now know not to trust El Al Thursday flights because they won't be taken care of if they need it.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2018, 11:59:01 AM »
do you really think this public bashing will help them? is it good to publicly bash a company in order to make them better?
what about all the people who will lose jobs bc of this?
less people might fly bc of what you wrote, so they might need less workers

Wow. I guess one must become a Chief Rabbi first in order to come up with this logic.

Why don't you start by putting forth what YOU think is wrong with ELAL, and how YOU think they should correct it.

@Dan has been quite clear on what he thinks needs to be done.

I think they have a corporate DNA problem, and really don't see how anything could be fixed without addressing that first. That would probably require a competent board with strong willpower.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2018, 12:09:40 PM »


maybe you are causing other Jewish people out of jobs.
less people will fly them, then they need less workers...
Interesting. I just flew with my young son that went to Israel the 1st time. We were flying on Elal and he asked me  naively "where are all the Jewish workers"
Maybe if they would hire some frum workers they would've solved both problems. We would feel  more like we r  helping a fellow Jew, and they would better understand and cater to our needs.



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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2018, 12:20:59 PM »
Whoever made the decision to fly to ATH instead of ZRH deserves to lose their job. They cost their airline many frum travelers who now know not to trust El Al Thursday flights because they won't be taken care of if they need it.

what about the other employees that will lose their job? like other flight attendants? employees at the airport ?
im talking about in general, not specifically the person who chose to land in ATH
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2018, 12:23:38 PM »
what about the other employees that will lose their job? like other flight attendants? employees at the airport ?
im talking about in general, not specifically the person who chose to land in ATH
Oy L'rasha, Oy L'shchaino?
Nobody's losing their job because of a blog post criticizing LYs decision to ruin people's Shabbos.
If they lose their job it will be because LY can't run a proper airline and refuses to listen to criticism.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2018, 12:24:10 PM »
what about the other employees that will lose their job? like other flight attendants? employees at the airport ?
im talking about in general, not specifically the person who chose to land in ATH
If it hasnít happened till now then itís not gonna happen.
If youíre that worried about Jews losing their jobs try convincing them to cancel the planned flight school theyíre opening in Florida.

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2018, 12:29:08 PM »


We would feel  more like we r  helping a fellow Jew,


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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2018, 12:32:54 PM »

trying very hard to.ignore this line.....

+1. I happen to be frum, but a Jew is a jew, no matter the level of observance.

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2018, 12:36:09 PM »
It's confusing to mix up this specific incident with the general dislike toward ElAl.
The parent-child analogy is obvious baloney because no (good) parent takes to the blogs to insult his child (see the OTD thread for more info). I love this blog and these forums but it's obvious that some people have a personal gripe/anger/frustration with the airline, that may or may not be rooted in good intentions, but the posts reflect accordingly.
There's the sugya of how to deal with large corporations who act against our own best wishes and another sugya of "hoche'ach tochia'ch" of how to tell off a fellow Jew for a misdeed. The two are obviously different, but can become confusing when we do this kind of stuff all day.

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2018, 12:41:37 PM »
Some of the hate could be from frustration because their point system is so bad and nobody can figure out how to game them like the other airlines

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2018, 12:43:35 PM »
He is bringing awareness to a terrible episode that elal chose to screw their customers royally. They deserve the full brunt of this.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2018, 12:44:23 PM »
Some of the hate could be from frustration because their point system is so bad and nobody can figure out how to game them like the other airlines

Exactly my point, thank you.

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2018, 01:01:09 PM »
Oy L'rasha, Oy L'shchaino?
Nobody's losing their job because of a blog post criticizing LYs decision to ruin people's Shabbos.
If they lose their job it will be because LY can't run a proper airline and refuses to listen to criticism.

are less people flying because of the blog posts? less say a lot less people fly Elal now.
you dont think this will result in the company laying off workers?
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2018, 01:04:08 PM »
I don't see any problem, public bashing will just save people who would have a problem flying with them from flying with them, and not effect anyone else.
It will also hopefully be informative to them as for the corrections they need to implement.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2018, 01:19:14 PM »
Some of the hate could be from frustration because their point system is so bad and nobody can figure out how to game them like the other airlines
I guess you dont even know how to book a regular flight using miles so you think when someone books a flight using miles its considered gaming!
Ok so start from the beginning maybe you'll figure it out.

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2018, 01:22:05 PM »
I guess you dont even know how to book a regular flight using miles so you think when someone books a flight using miles its considered gaming!
Ok so start from the beginning maybe you'll figure it out.
No what i said was bad points  AND game the system 2 separate things

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2018, 01:26:26 PM »
I'm not one to go promoting elal as they were the first ones to get away with one bag to Israel instead of 2 about 6 years ago and coincidentally few months later they had the crazy fare where they didn't put in the fuel charges.
Delta tried it and people made a stink so they went back to 2 but once elal did it e/o else jumped on board.

Elal has the Jewish niche the people who 1. Don't know better 2. And the people who are into supporting a Jewish / Israeli company. Kind of like a certain blog site .

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2018, 02:01:18 PM »
Elal has the Jewish niche the people who 1. Don't know better 2. And the people who are into supporting a Jewish / Israeli company. Kind of like a certain blog site .
And this story goes to prove that they're not interested in said Jewish niche, it also proves that they're not acting Jewish and there's no reason for people looking for a "Jewish airline" to use them
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2018, 02:14:22 PM »
OP has a very good point. The ad nauseum hate here towards ElAl is both irrational and unjustified, much like the hate was towards the ex United CEO which was just plain stupid.

Now I personally try to avoid ElAl for a past previous bad experience, (1 Flight attendant negative towards the frum + bad service) but in this case, while perhaps they could of done things slightly better, they didn't do all that bad, taking into account the circumstances. There are worse airlines out there than ElAl. The amount of vitriol spewed around here is just stupid.

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2018, 02:19:29 PM »
And this story goes to prove that they're not interested in said Jewish niche, it also proves that they're not acting Jewish and there's no reason for people looking for a "Jewish airline" to use them
No exactly my point they have the clientele and they keep coming so why do more than they have to.