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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #60 on: June 19, 2018, 05:39:50 PM »
Really?
Which of these four do you disagree with?
  • Let ElAl run their business the way they want to
  • Let @Dan run his business the way he wants to
  • Let everyone decide whom they're giving their business to
  • This thread isn't about whether to fly ElAl or following Dan's blog
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #61 on: June 19, 2018, 05:44:20 PM »
Which of these four do you disagree with?
  • Let ElAl run their business the way they want to
  • Let @Dan run his business the way he wants to
  • Let everyone decide whom they're giving their business too
  • This thread isn't about whether to fly ElAl or following Dan's blog
Check what I quoted
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2018, 05:46:36 PM »
Check what I quoted
You quoted the last (bolded) part of this
So what you're saying is, let ElAl run their business the way they want to, let @Dan run his business the way he wants to, and let everyone decide whom they're giving their business too. I don't think anybody disagrees on any of that, I'm also pretty sure this isn't what this thread is about
My understanding is that you do disagree with something I said there, I'm wondering which part it is that you disagree with
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2018, 05:47:52 PM »
You quoted the last (bolded) part of thisMy understanding is that you do disagree with something I said there, I'm wondering which part it is that you disagree with
I think OP disagrees with all of that and that it absolutely is what the thread is about.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #64 on: June 19, 2018, 05:50:01 PM »
I think OP disagrees with all of that and that it absolutely is what the thread is about.
OP asked why so much hate towards a Jewish company, not whether ElAl is making smart business decisions or not
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2018, 12:31:14 AM »
Those that doesn't hate ElAl falls in one of below categories
  • Doesn't fly at all
  • only flies ElAl
  • never flies ElAl
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #66 on: June 20, 2018, 02:01:17 AM »


Those that doesn't hate ElAl falls in one of below categories
  • Doesn't fly at all
  • only flies ElAl
  • never flies ElAl

And most of the hate comes from 1st and 3rd category.
Either way I don't hate them and I fall into a 4th category, only flies premium.

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #67 on: June 20, 2018, 02:39:12 AM »
+1. I happen to be frum, but a Jew is a jew, no matter the level of observance.
-1  don’t know where you were brought up. A non observant is not the same. Period. This whole threads attitude is anti Torah haskafah. This should be deleted together with the whole yeshiva world website.

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2018, 06:39:11 AM »
-1  don’t know where you were brought up. A non observant is not the same. Period. This whole threads attitude is anti Torah haskafah. This should be deleted together with the whole yeshiva world website.

So you don’t care what happens to a Jew who is not observant?

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #69 on: June 20, 2018, 06:54:54 AM »
I've flown ELAL in the past recent years because of price. Upgraded to premium economy and thank G-d. They have some of the smallest coach seats to Israel if I'm not mistaken. 

I love ELAL based on nostaliga alone but I'm not running to fly with them anytime soon unfortunately.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #70 on: June 20, 2018, 07:26:24 AM »

And most of the hate comes from 1st and 3rd category.
Either way I don't hate them and I fall into a 4th category, only flies premium.

How do you book?

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #71 on: June 20, 2018, 06:03:53 PM »
I don't see where @Dan has "hated" on ElAl, definitely not ad naseum, he's reporting a story where ElAl messed up and lost the trust of their clientsIt's not a matter of not doing more than what they have to for their clientele

I'm not referring specifically to Rabbi Dan, I'm talking about the general attitude around here.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #72 on: June 20, 2018, 07:02:47 PM »
-1  don’t know where you were brought up. A non observant is not the same. Period. This whole threads attitude is anti Torah haskafah. This should be deleted together with the whole yeshiva world website.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #73 on: June 20, 2018, 11:55:12 PM »
The 12/26/13 DL $50 glitch was far more consequential for traffic than the 8/6/12 LY glitch.
I guess that means I shouldn't take DL to task for Skypesos and deleting award charts?

I wonder how much of the DL glitch traffic was Talui on the LY glitch.

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2018, 06:20:56 AM »
I wonder how much of the DL glitch traffic was Talui on the LY glitch.
For sure had to do with it, also  all the social media that he started doing in that time.
Point is the DL glitch really.made dd a household name among the frum population and DD wouldn't be what it is today with out it

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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2018, 04:29:50 PM »
Anyone following the controversy in Israel with ELAL moving woman for Haredi man.
With out going in to details of the story (it has been debated a million times)

The way elal replies and is busy putting off the bad press... and the way it handled the 002 shabbos issue just shows what the orthodox passenger means for elal.
It can be understood why DDF as the majority is orthodox hates ELAL. They just don't care for an orthodox passenger.



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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2018, 04:47:41 PM »
Anyone following the controversy in Israel with ELAL moving woman for Haredi man.
With out going in to details of the story (it has been debated a million times)

The way elal replies and is busy putting off the bad press... and the way it handled the 002 shabbos issue just shows what the orthodox passenger means for elal.
It can be understood why DDF as the majority is orthodox hates ELAL. They just don't care for an orthodox passenger.



https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5296284,00.html

This story needs to be taken in context. There's a wave of hatred and anti-semitism towards anything Jewish going on right now in Israel (which B.H. is starting to backfire, but there's still a long way to go - we know that the liberals/progressives only care about the rights of the "right" kind of people). The ELAL response in this case isn't anti-orthodox IMHO, it's PR/damage-control in a measured way. After all, if someone refuses to sit next to another passenger, it's their problem, not the other passenger's problem. The fact that the noisy liberal-progressives choose to make an issue out of it rather than dealing with it in a civil manner, is just an unfortunate situation, and bez"h גם זה יעבור.

The one's that need to be called out here are the people at NICE for threatening strong-arm tactics rather than seeking tolerance and an amicable solution.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2018, 04:52:07 PM »
The one's that need to be called out here are the people at NICE for threatening strong-arm tactics rather than seeking tolerance and an amicable solution.
Is an amicable solution possible when strong religious beliefs are involved?
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2018, 04:54:50 PM »
Is an amicable solution possible when strong religious beliefs are involved?
Yes.

For example, designate male only and female only rows or seat blocks (probably won't need more than one of each at most) and post the policy clearly: you can choose a male only row or block, if you fail to do so and refuse assigned seat due to gender of person assigned to the seat next to you, you will be given the option to resolve on your own or deplane within 3 minutes.
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Re: why does DD's hate Elal
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2018, 04:55:50 PM »
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