Author Topic: Eida Charedit bans all Ethiopians from Barkan winery (touching the wine)  (Read 9686 times)

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/outcry-as-barkan-winery-shuns-ethiopian-workers-over-doubts-of-their-jewishness/

Someone please explain this absolute disgrace!
What is the disgrace? Their status as Jews was always a matter of controversy and is a significant halachic debate.
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Even those that went through giyur lichumra?
They banned all as to not call out some (per ynet)

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What is the disgrace?
You find out the view of others by the way they answer questions.
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Even those that went through giyur lichumra?
They banned all as to not call out some (per ynet)
I hear. That sounds discriminatory.
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It is never wise to draw conclusions from things said when you are ignorant of the subject matter being discussed.
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What is the disgrace? Their status as Jews was always a matter of controversy and is a significant halachic debate.

First of all they were all officially converted...What happened until now? Did we all drink Yayin Nesech?

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It is never wise to draw conclusions from things said when you are ignorant of the subject matter being discussed.
True but racism isn't one of them.
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True but racism isn't one of them.
The ability to know whether or not something is racism is.
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First of all they were all officially converted...What happened until now? Did we all drink Yayin Nesech?
Note how you yourself added the "officially". What happened until now is that they had a different hechsher which kept to the position that they are Jews.
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The ability to know whether or not something is racism is.
By your responses in other threads that would disqualify you to know what racism is.
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Note how you yourself added the "officially". What happened until now is that they had a different hechsher which kept to the position that they are Jews.

So we all drank Y"N?

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To explain the article:
The ones that look frum (big yarmulkaa and full beards etc.) very often did not even perform giyur lchumra, as they were accepted by Rav Ovadya Yosef as being 100% jewish. Hence the pictured men that were transferred and Rav Ovadya's son slamming it as pure racisim

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So we all drank Y"N?
According to Eida Chareidis probably safek yes.
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To explain the article:
The ones that look frum (big yarmulkaa and full beards etc.) very often did not even perform giyur lchumra, as they were accepted by Rav Ovadya Yosef as being 100% jewish. Hence the pictured men that were transferred and Rav Ovadya's son slamming it as pure racisim
Is this the same soon that everyone was calling a racist a few weeks ago?

"You disagree with me? Racist!"
Sounds familiar.
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"You disagree with me? Racist!"
Sounds familiar.
What's familiar is your inability to recognize racism.
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amen! Since when did we Ashkenasim become the worldwide arbiters of Judaism? It's pure racism, period. Don't believe me because I am not on the derech? Fine, then read this :

Chief Rabbi: 'Edah's ban on Ethiopian employees is pure racism' (source: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/248014 )

Racism: it sucks everywhere, but nowhere more so than when we can't see it in ourselves

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Eidah Charedis is an Ashkenazi hechsher and is expected to follow Ashkenazi Poskim.

This doesn't diminish Maran Ztz"l.

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@Moshe123  that's good to know (and I appreciate the info!)

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What's familiar is your inability to recognize racism.
Blah blah blah
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