Author Topic: Eida Charedit bans all Ethiopians from Barkan winery (touching the wine)  (Read 9854 times)

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@ChaimMoskowitz I'm not commenting on this specific case but what are your thoughts on the general concept if not allowing non Jews to cook & bake without Jewish involvement or the prohibition of non Jews touching wine? Is that racist? What about the prohibition against intermarriage?
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rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
"a program to combat racism"
synonyms:   racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
"Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
noun: racism
"theories of racism"
if Jews are a race (vs. a religion) then merely the prohibition of intermarriage is racist
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@ChaimMoskowitz I'm not commenting on this specific case but what are your thoughts on the general concept if not allowing non Jews to cook & bake without Jewish involvement or the prohibition of non Jews touching wine? Is that racist? What about the prohibition against intermarriage?
Yes I believe it is racist.
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Yes I believe it is racist.
well then, all orthodox religious Jews are racist.... including Modern orthidox

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First of all they were all officially converted...What happened until now? Did we all drink Yayin Nesech?
They didn't all have Gerius Lechumra.
It is strange that the ones who did are also being discriminated against.
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well then, all orthodox religious Jews are racist.... including Modern orthidox
Not at all. Do you think I would have lunch or go to an outing with a bunch of racist?
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Not at all. Do you think I would have lunch or go to an outing with a bunch of racist?
obviously you would....those meals all took place at venues that follow these rules
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obviously you would....those meals all took place at Venus that follow these rules
So you are calling all them racist?
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So you are calling all them racist?
No you are
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No you are
No I am not. I fully understand you can't see the distinction it what I answered.
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So you are calling all them racist?
I'm not...I believe you did...
If it is racist then I don't have a problem with this type of racism. If Catholics have a rule that someone who is Catholic must be involved in food prep that wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Likewise if Catholics restricted marriage to someone of thier faith that would be fine as well

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No I am not. I fully understand you can't see the distinction it what I answered.
can a non-catholic be a Catholic priest?

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I'm not...I believe you did...
If it is racist then I don't have a problem with this type of racism. If Catholics have a rule that someone who is Catholic must be involved in food prep that wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Likewise if Catholics restricted marriage to someone of thier faith that would be fine as well
How does that answer why those that underwent Geirus Lechumra can't work there?
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Judaism is not racist because we consist of many (all) races. Furthermore, there is no race limitation to anyone joining.

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I'm not...I believe you did...
If it is racist then I don't have a problem with this type of racism. If Catholics have a rule that someone who is Catholic must be involved in food prep that wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Likewise if Catholics restricted marriage to someone of thier faith that would be fine as well
I didn't call anyone a racist. You went from if I believe "A" I must also believe "B".

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How does that answer why those that underwent Geirus Lechumra can't work there?
@ChaimMoskowitz I'm not commenting on this specific case but what are your thoughts on the general concept if not allowing non Jews to cook & bake without Jewish involvement or the prohibition of non Jews touching wine? Is that racist? What about the prohibition against intermarriage?if Jews are a race (vs. a religion) then merely the prohibition of intermarriage is racist

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I didn't call anyone a racist. You went form if I believe "A" I must also believe "B".
I didn't state any beliefs. I asked about your belief's and stated facts

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can a non-catholic be a Catholic priest?
No and a women can't either. If your point is that religions discriminate or have racist views/policies you found someone that agrees with you.
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No and a women can't either. If your point is that religions discriminate or have racist views/policies you found someone that agrees with you.
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I didn't state any beliefs. I asked about your belief's and stated facts
Please show me where I called an individual a racist in this thread? You asked me about policies/rules and I answered it straight up. Something most here are not capable of doing.
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How does that answer why those that underwent Geirus Lechumra can't work there?
Who performed the geirus? Was it the rabbanut? Would E"C rely on a geirus done by the rabbanut?
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