Author Topic: Eida Charedit bans all Ethiopians from Barkan winery (touching the wine)  (Read 3197 times)

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No I am not. I fully understand you can't see the distinction it what I answered.
can a non-catholic be a Catholic priest?

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I'm not...I believe you did...
If it is racist then I don't have a problem with this type of racism. If Catholics have a rule that someone who is Catholic must be involved in food prep that wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Likewise if Catholics restricted marriage to someone of thier faith that would be fine as well
How does that answer why those that underwent Geirus Lechumra can't work there?
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Judaism is not racist because we consist of many (all) races. Furthermore, there is no race limitation to anyone joining.

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I'm not...I believe you did...
If it is racist then I don't have a problem with this type of racism. If Catholics have a rule that someone who is Catholic must be involved in food prep that wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Likewise if Catholics restricted marriage to someone of thier faith that would be fine as well
I didn't call anyone a racist. You went from if I believe "A" I must also believe "B".

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How does that answer why those that underwent Geirus Lechumra can't work there?
@ChaimMoskowitz I'm not commenting on this specific case but what are your thoughts on the general concept if not allowing non Jews to cook & bake without Jewish involvement or the prohibition of non Jews touching wine? Is that racist? What about the prohibition against intermarriage?if Jews are a race (vs. a religion) then merely the prohibition of intermarriage is racist

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I didn't call anyone a racist. You went form if I believe "A" I must also believe "B".
I didn't state any beliefs. I asked about your belief's and stated facts

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can a non-catholic be a Catholic priest?
No and a women can't either. If your point is that religions discriminate or have racist views/policies you found someone that agrees with you.
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No and a women can't either. If your point is that religions discriminate or have racist views/policies you found someone that agrees with you.
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I didn't state any beliefs. I asked about your belief's and stated facts
Please show me where I called an individual a racist in this thread? You asked me about policies/rules and I answered it straight up. Something most here are not capable of doing.
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How does that answer why those that underwent Geirus Lechumra can't work there?
Who performed the geirus? Was it the rabbanut? Would E"C rely on a geirus done by the rabbanut?
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Please show me where I called an individual a racist in this thread? You asked me about policies/rules and I answered it straight up. Something most here are not capable of doing.
correct. I asked you if certain practices are racist. You answered affirmatively. I then informed you that those are common place kosher practices of which most on this forum follow.

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correct. I asked you if certain practices are racist. You answered affirmatively. I then informed you that those are common place kosher practices of which most on this forum follow.
OK and like said:
I didn't call anyone a racist. You went from if I believe "A" I must also believe "B".
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We should not be in the business of labeling people who Gedolim (in this case Rav Ovadya) paskened are Jewish as Safek Jews.

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We should not be in the business of labeling people who Gedolim (in this case Rav Ovadya) paskened are Jewish as Safek Jews.
We are not the ones labeling them as Safek. It's E"H who is doing so and they have the right to pasken differently than Maran.

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OK and like said:
Basically, you're trying to argue that certain religious rules/practices are racist, but that the people who follow those rules/practices aren't necessarily racist. That's pretty illogical. Maybe you can elaborate?