Author Topic: Eida Charedit bans all Ethiopians from Barkan winery (touching the wine)  (Read 9728 times)

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Please show me where I called an individual a racist in this thread? You asked me about policies/rules and I answered it straight up. Something most here are not capable of doing.
correct. I asked you if certain practices are racist. You answered affirmatively. I then informed you that those are common place kosher practices of which most on this forum follow.

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correct. I asked you if certain practices are racist. You answered affirmatively. I then informed you that those are common place kosher practices of which most on this forum follow.
OK and like said:
I didn't call anyone a racist. You went from if I believe "A" I must also believe "B".
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We should not be in the business of labeling people who Gedolim (in this case Rav Ovadya) paskened are Jewish as Safek Jews.

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We should not be in the business of labeling people who Gedolim (in this case Rav Ovadya) paskened are Jewish as Safek Jews.
We are not the ones labeling them as Safek. It's E"H who is doing so and they have the right to pasken differently than Maran.

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OK and like said:
Basically, you're trying to argue that certain religious rules/practices are racist, but that the people who follow those rules/practices aren't necessarily racist. That's pretty illogical. Maybe you can elaborate?

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How does that answer why those that underwent Geirus Lechumra can't work there?
Haven't found the ynet article mgarfin quoted as saying this. FWIW, the original article said:
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The Eda Haredit inspector supervising Barkan confirmed to Kan that he does not allow most of the Ethiopian employees to touch the wine...
And nobody is being fired or rejected from employment. They moved people to jobs that don't bring them into contact with the wine.

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We are not the ones labeling them as Safek. It's E"H who is doing so and they have the right to pasken differently than Maran.
I'm not sure that someones Chazaka of Kasharus is allowed to be the subject of a machlokes years later.

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I'm not sure that someones Chazaka of Kasharus is allowed to be the subject of a machlokes years later.
But if they never held off the geirus, there is no chezkas kashrus

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I'm not sure that someones Chazaka of Kasharus is allowed to be the subject of a machlokes years later.
Years later? Did they EVER agree with Chacham Ovadia about this?
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We should not be in the business of labeling people who Gedolim (in this case Rav Ovadya) paskened are Jewish as Safek Jews.
Nor should we be in the business of labeling people who the gedolim (in this case Rav Shach, Rav Elyashiv, Rav SZ Auerbach, Rav Moshe) paskened are Safek Jews as full fledged Jews.
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Haven't found the ynet article mgarfin quoted as saying this. FWIW, the original article said:And nobody is being fired or rejected from employment. They moved people to jobs that don't bring them into contact with the wine.

http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5296466

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Years later? Did they EVER agree with Chacham Ovadia about this?
Nope.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Nope.
My point exactly. Then what chezkas kashrus?
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Basically, you're trying to argue that certain religious rules/practices are racist, but that the people who follow those rules/practices aren't necessarily racist. That's pretty illogical. Maybe you can elaborate?
I am not arguing anything. I stated my view. I give individuals extreme leeway when they truly follow the teachings of their religion.
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I am not arguing anything. I stated my view. I give individuals extreme leeway when they truly follow the teachings of their religion.
One thing I can tell you is that the consensus among Chareidi rabbis at the time was to only consider them to be possible and not definite Jews.
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One thing I can tell you is that the consensus among Chareidi rabbis at the time was to only consider them to be possible and not definite Jews.
Remember I was asked my view in general not about this case.
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IIRC R' Moshe Shternbuch holds (or is mesupik) that a Beis Din which as a matter of course doesn't bother checking for a sincere kabbolas mitzvos does not have a din Beis Din and geirus performed by them is not valid.

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Barakan wines suck.


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Barakan wines suck.
Couldn't even spell Barkan correctly?
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