Shame! ElAl Blames Chareidim In Vain

[aygart]

What's there to discuss? This evening the decision will be announced. End of discussion.

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[ChaimMoskowitz]

What's there to discuss? This evening the decision will be announced. End of discussion.

That will be the beginning of the discussion.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

You need @AJK pic on there.

[ExGingi]

That will be the beginning of the discussion.

Last time I checked they did away with filibusters.

[aygart]

You need @AJK pic on there.

Didn't @jj1000 take law?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Last time I checked they did away with filibusters.

True but you have two women who probably won't support someone that would overturn RvW.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Didn't @jj1000 take law?

I don't believe his name was brought up for nomination. Besides he is way to right wing.

[aygart]

True but you have two women who probably won't support someone that would overturn RvW.

We always respect precedent..... I can't discuss the issues of a specific case or ruling but we do respect precedent until we do away with it...."

[ChaimMoskowitz]

We always respect precedent..... I can't discuss the issues of a specific case or ruling but we do respect precedent until we do away with it...."

Some are already on record.

[Yammer]

Definitely not.

Do you really think these people who refuse to be seated next to female passengers never fly with any other airlines? How come we never hear about this with other airlines?

I'm sure there is a percentage of travelers that will only ask ElAl to switch seats as they think that a jewish company will look more favorable on switching for religious purposes

We do. I've seen these stories on DL for sure, and possibly UA as well.

1. It's definitely the most traveled route and airline by charaidim.
2. Being that they deal with it on a daily basis they have less patience for it.
3. They definitely have less respect for charaidim then the other airlines.
4. There are ppl that think that if the FA can't find a seat they will end up in J


While I've always manages to switch by asking someone else myself, some ppl will  never give up their aisle/window seat and sit in the middle. That kills me.

But as mentioned above, 99% understand that a Chillul Hashem is NOT the way to go.

[ExGingi]

3. They definitely have less respect for charaidim then the other airlines.

For some reason it seems like other airlines don't treat "charaidim" with a bias, treat them just like any other paying customer. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case with ELAL.

[as2]

For some reason it seems like other airlines don't treat "charaidim" with a bias, treat them just like any other paying customer. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case with ELAL.

See reason 1 and 2.

[mercaz1]

1. It's definitely the most traveled route and airline by charaidim.
2. Being that they deal with it on a daily basis they have less patience for it.
3. They definitely have less respect for charaidim then the other airlines.
4. There are ppl that think that if the FA can't find a seat they will end up in J


While I've always manages to switch by asking someone else myself, some ppl will  never give up their aisle/window seat and sit in the middle. That kills me.

But as mentioned above, 99% understand that a Chillul Hashem is NOT the way to go.

why should they give up their aisle or window seat.

[shapsam]

why should they give up their aisle or window seat.

He's talking about the one that wants the change because of religious reasons but then would only take a good seat.

[mercaz1]

He's talking about the one that wants the change because of religious reasons but then would only take a good seat.

that makes more sense

[meshugener]

But you are, because your blaming the "chareidim", even though their the victim here, for being victimized by an anti Torah press, and an anti frum Elal.

I speak out because this is an untruth where my fellow brothers have been besmirched time and time again by the secular and even so called frum press. I speak out, for there is hardly anyone to speak truth. There is enough to people to attack and besmirch the frum, but for truth, unfortunately not that many.

What do you mean by "their hiding behind"? What problem are they hiding behind?


There you go attack the Chareidim again...

1. Please don't be so embarrassed to be a Jew. Try to work on your confidence a bit, instead of being embarrassed by what other Jews do? Perhaps their trying to be more makpid on certain mitzvos and issurim that your not being makpid on, so is that a Chillul Hashem?
2. What defines a Chillul Hashem? Is putting on Teffilin in an airport or on a plane a Chillul hashem? It's definitely weired and archaic, no? Is not touching foreign women a Chiillul hashem? It's definitely something secular western society frowns upon. It's also definitely awkward when a women sticks her hand out to shake yours, and you don't shake it. Isn't that a Chillul Hashem, because it looks weired and it could embarrass her?

If your (version of your) religion doesn't let you sit next to a women, you're free to purchase a first class seat ot 3 economy seats.

ElAl, as a private company, has no obligation to accommodate you beyond typical passenger accommodations.

What if my imaginary religion requires maximum manspreading during turbulence?
Would you expect United to provide me the necessary space to do so?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

What if my imaginary religion requires maximum manspreading during turbulence?

Wouldn't that be dog spreading?

[meshugener]

Wouldn't that be dog spreading?

Forgot to tell you about other cultural norms in our imaginary religion.

We refer to dogs as men. We're the first to tell it like it is.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

...and I thought men are dogs.

[ExGingi]

ElAl, as a private company, has no obligation to accommodate you beyond typical passenger accommodations.

I don't think anyone was claiming that ELAL has an obligation to accommodate beyond any typical passenger accommodations.

People are free to request whatever they want to request, and the airlines, or fellow passengers, are free to oblige or not to oblige. Nothing wrong with any of that. Those same people are also free to insist one way or another, and bear the consequences of their insistence.

It can still all be done in a civilized way, without name calling, besmirching, law suits, etc.