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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #105 on: October 05, 2018, 11:21:05 AM »
I guess you didn't read this point either.
Yes, and until the Kim's stop ruling NK his right to choose to murder full grown adults are ok
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #106 on: October 05, 2018, 11:21:28 AM »
he believes the facts back him up.
I understand that but we are country that lives by a set of laws. According to our laws (which are the facts that matter) he is wrong.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #107 on: October 05, 2018, 11:22:29 AM »
Yes, and until the Kim's stop ruling NK his right to choose to murder full grown adults are ok
So now you are equating Kim's rulings with our laws.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #108 on: October 05, 2018, 11:23:11 AM »
I understand that but we are country that lives by a set of laws. According to our laws (which are the facts that matter) he is wrong.
Yes yes. And until 1920 women were inferior to men. Law is law.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #109 on: October 05, 2018, 11:23:46 AM »
So now you are equating Kim's rulings with our laws.
Nopes. Both murder tho.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #110 on: October 05, 2018, 11:27:53 AM »
I understand that but we are country that lives by a set of laws. According to our laws (which are the facts that matter) he is wrong.

Opinions are not feelings.
Laws are not facts.
Facts are not opinions.
Laws are not feelings.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #111 on: October 05, 2018, 11:29:54 AM »
I understand that but we are country that lives by a set of laws. According to our laws (which are the facts that matter) he is wrong.
Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that Murder is a legal term and since the according to the current laws abortion is not considered murder therefore the relevant fact here is that abortion is not murder?

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #112 on: October 05, 2018, 11:31:09 AM »
I guess you didn't read this point either.

You are conflating a "legal right" and a "moral right".

In the 1800s people in the US had a legal right to own slaves (as they do today to kill unborn children). In Nazi Germany people had the legal right (and requirement) to kill Jews.

Does that give them the moral right to do that?

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #113 on: October 05, 2018, 11:41:05 AM »
You are conflating a "legal right" and a "moral right".

In the 1800s people in the US had a legal right to own slaves (as they do today to kill unborn children). In Nazi Germany people had the legal right (and requirement) to kill Jews.

Does that give them the moral right to do that?
I am not conflating anything. We are getting into a full blown discussion about abortion. I only used abortion to show BS (sorry couldn't help it) views on individual rights change with his views on the subject. I am sure I can find another example to get off the topic of abortion.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #114 on: October 05, 2018, 11:41:57 AM »
I am not conflating anything. We are getting into a full blown discussion about abortion. I only used abortion to show BS (sorry couldn't help it) views on individual rights change with his views on the subject. I am sure I can find another example to get off the topic of abortion.
You were wrong there, so go ahead.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #115 on: October 05, 2018, 11:44:05 AM »
You were wrong there, so go ahead.
Facts show differently than your feelings.  :P
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #116 on: October 05, 2018, 11:44:32 AM »
Facts show differently than your feelings. 
Your feelings decided your facts
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #117 on: October 05, 2018, 11:48:47 AM »
Your feelings decided your facts
You like I am basing this on our religious views. I understand religious views are not fact. You on the other hand ...
Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #118 on: October 05, 2018, 11:49:13 AM »
I am not conflating anything. We are getting into a full blown discussion about abortion. I only used abortion to show BS (sorry couldn't help it) views on individual rights change with his views on the subject. I am sure I can find another example to get off the topic of abortion.

No, his views on abortion show that his views on individual rights are consistent even when the individual is as defenseless as an unborn child

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #119 on: October 05, 2018, 11:50:17 AM »
No, his views on abortion show that his views on individual rights are consistent even when the individual is as defenseless as an unborn child
Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?
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