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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #120 on: October 05, 2018, 11:50:25 AM »
You like I am basing this on our religious views. I understand religious views are not fact. You on the other hand ...
Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?
Assuming it doesn't conflict another's rights, yes
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #121 on: October 05, 2018, 11:51:35 AM »
His mantra is: Facts don't care about feelings.
Is believing abortion is murder a fact or a feeling?
He believes in the fact that a baby in utero is a life. And aborting that fetus is tantamount to murder
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #122 on: October 05, 2018, 11:52:38 AM »
Assuming it doesn't conflict another's rights, yes
Who decides if it conflicts with another's right, someone's view/feelings or the laws we live by?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #123 on: October 05, 2018, 11:53:02 AM »
You like I am basing this on our religious views. I understand religious views are not fact. You on the other hand ...
Ben Shapiro (who is the topic of this thread) makes a point of never using his religion as the basis for his arguments.

Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?

Only when it does not infinge on another individual's rights

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #124 on: October 05, 2018, 11:53:25 AM »
Who decides if it conflicts with another's right, someone's view/feelings or the laws we live by?

Neither. Facts.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #125 on: October 05, 2018, 11:53:36 AM »
Who decides if it conflicts with another's right, someone's view/feelings or the laws we live by?
Facts do.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #126 on: October 05, 2018, 11:55:07 AM »
I only used abortion to show BS (sorry couldn't help it) views on individual rights change with his views on the subject.
Um, no.
In other words his view on abortion doesn't contradict his view on rights/limited government in general.



Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?
According to current law yes, but
I think you're missing the point here.

The whole point is he believes the current law is immoral and unconstitutional.
no, he believes in an individuals rights as long as they don't infringe on someone else's rights. i.e.  something along the lines of "your right to swing your fist ends were my face starts."

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #127 on: October 05, 2018, 11:56:42 AM »
Neither. Facts.
Facts do.
Who decides what the facts are? You and I or the laws we live by?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #128 on: October 05, 2018, 11:57:11 AM »
Who decides what the facts are? You and I or the laws we live by?

Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that Murder is a legal term and since the according to the current laws abortion is not considered murder therefore the relevant fact here is that abortion is not murder?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #129 on: October 05, 2018, 11:57:31 AM »
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #130 on: October 05, 2018, 11:58:24 AM »
Who decides what the facts are? You and I or the laws we live by?
Where did you get this idea that laws=facts?
Killing a person is murder. Fact.
It's been proven that unborn children or living just like anyone else. Fact.
Abortion is murder.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #131 on: October 05, 2018, 11:58:38 AM »
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #132 on: October 05, 2018, 11:59:23 AM »
Yes murder is a legal term.
So in a third world country there is no such thing as murder?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #133 on: October 05, 2018, 12:01:47 PM »
So in a third world country there is no such thing as murder?
What in the world are you smoking?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #134 on: October 05, 2018, 12:02:40 PM »
Yes murder is a legal term.

Come on, you know how people are using the term, and it has nothing to do with legalities. This is an example of what I mean by arguing in bad faith.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #135 on: October 05, 2018, 12:03:39 PM »
What in the world are you smoking?
If it's a legal thing, assuming there are no laws somewhere remote (third world may not have been the best term) there isn't a concept of "murder"?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #136 on: October 05, 2018, 12:05:30 PM »
Yes murder is a legal term.
So in other words you're saying that the relevant fact (which doesn't care about your feelings) here is that abortion doesn't currently qualify legally as murder?

That's a straw man argument. Of course nobody says it's currently considered murder legally. His argument is that based on the biological facts it should be considered murder.


Is there a topic about which you will argue in good faith?

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #137 on: October 05, 2018, 12:05:48 PM »
Come on, you know how people are using the term, and it has nothing to do with legalities. This is an example of what I mean by arguing in bad faith.
You keep assuming things about me that are incorrect.
Please give me the definition of "murder" being used in this discussion as you see it. Lets see who is arguing in bad faith.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #138 on: October 05, 2018, 12:07:05 PM »
Please give me the definition of "murder" being used in this discussion as you see it.
Of course nobody says it's currently considered murder legally. His argument is that based on the biological facts it should be considered murder.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #139 on: October 05, 2018, 12:08:10 PM »
You like I am basing this on our religious views. I understand religious views are not fact. You on the other hand ...
Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?

CM, you know I like you and respect you. I am pointing this out as an interesting thing to think about, not as an argument or debate. I think that what most of the discussions on this forum come down to is that, from a Jewish perspective, religious views (or more precisely the Torah's view) is absolute.

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