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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #195 on: October 17, 2018, 04:53:25 PM »
How do you know what G-d would do?
The real question is what G-d did.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #196 on: October 17, 2018, 04:56:02 PM »
The real question is what G-d did.
You can ask your question and I will ask mine.  :)
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #197 on: October 17, 2018, 05:01:27 PM »
How do you know what G-d would do?
I wouldn't say I know what God would do, but I wouldn't bash someone who has a logical explanation for what God would do.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #198 on: October 17, 2018, 05:04:03 PM »
I wouldn't say I know what God would do, but I wouldn't bash someone who has a logical explanation for what God would do.
No such thing as a logical explanation when it comes to G-d.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #199 on: October 17, 2018, 05:05:30 PM »
No such thing as a logical explanation when it comes to G-d.
I meant the way God did/does things, to make assumptions based on that.
Again I don't, but I don't have an opinion of one who does
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #200 on: October 17, 2018, 05:41:10 PM »
As @davidmal says: "Likes" feed the family

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #201 on: October 17, 2018, 05:42:05 PM »
so then it IS k'fira....?
What did he say that contradicts that?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #202 on: October 17, 2018, 05:58:56 PM »
"If G-D gave the Torah today to western civilization" it would look different" Seriously?!? (Just one of the few)
So I just watched and yeah he quoted the rambam to say that we had karbanos because it was a way to channel our urge to slaughter animals to appease gods, this was a t'aiva that people had back in that day but no longer have. So yeah the theorizing about "IF the torah was given today -- there wouldn't be karbanos" is in line with that rambam and not k'fira imo.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #203 on: October 17, 2018, 06:01:38 PM »
so then it IS k'fira....?

I think you misunderstood.

I didn't watch it now but I vaguely remember it from when it came out.

He wasn't saying the Torah should change/adapt to modern times.
IIRC his point was that the Torah was given based on the situation and the values/morals of the time, so if the Torah was given today, with the values/morals of mankind being what they are, the Torah would be different than what it actually is which based on the morals/values of 2300 years ago.
(One issue I have with that is that modern day values are mostly based on the Torah)

That's why I said
The real question is what G-d did.
because I think the root of the question is really about how you view the Torah as it was given.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #204 on: October 18, 2018, 08:09:55 AM »
No such thing as a logical explanation when it comes to G-d.
This seems to be a difference between Judaism and Catholicism.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #205 on: October 18, 2018, 08:49:53 PM »

Where can I get a scale? i'm afraid its 50/50
How about non of above, Crazy

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #206 on: October 19, 2018, 12:26:26 AM »
This seems to be a difference between Judaism and Catholicism.
Didn't know that. Judaism doesn't believe in "logical explanation"?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #207 on: October 19, 2018, 12:42:31 AM »
Didn't know that. Judaism doesn't believe in "logical explanation"?
i think Judaism does believe in logical explanations as well as things called חוקים which does not have a logical explanation
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #208 on: October 19, 2018, 01:32:28 AM »
I think Rabbi Nathan Lopes Cardozo discusses not identifying the text of our Chumash as the essential form of the Torah in the beginning of The Torah As God's Mind: A Kabbalistic Look Into the Pentateuch (published by Neve Yerushalayim in 1988, a time when I assume he was less controversial).
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #209 on: October 30, 2018, 02:11:11 PM »
What is the joke behind him always saying negative things about Michael Knowles?