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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #140 on: October 05, 2018, 12:09:44 PM »
His argument is that based on the biological facts it should be considered murder.
That is an argument everyone disagrees with. There are what you call "facts" on both sides of the argument.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #141 on: October 05, 2018, 12:10:51 PM »
You keep assuming things about me that are incorrect.
Please give me the definition of "murder" being used in this discussion as you see it. Lets see who is arguing in bad faith.

So your understanding of Ben Shapiro's position as stated on this forum that "Abortion is Murder" is that any woman who has a legal abortion should be prosecuted for murder?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #142 on: October 05, 2018, 12:11:56 PM »
CM, you know I like you and respect you. I am pointing this out as an interesting thing to think about, not as an argument or debate. I think that what most of the discussions on this forum come down to is that, from a Jewish perspective, religious views (or more precisely the Torah's view) is absolute.
I understand that 100%. Most religions are that way. Now if only the opposite side can understand what I am saying.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #143 on: October 05, 2018, 12:13:35 PM »
So your understanding of Ben Shapiro's position as stated on this forum that "Abortion is Murder" is that any woman who has a legal abortion should be prosecuted for murder?
I ask you a simple question to explain the definition of "murder". You want to show good faith then answer the question before you ask me another one.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #144 on: October 05, 2018, 12:15:37 PM »
That is an argument everyone disagrees with.
Um, ok

Regardless, his position on abortion is still wholly consistent with his view on rights in general. His opinion is that you shouldn't have the right to murder an unborn child just because it's convenient. Your right to choose (just like every other right) ends where it starts infringing on others' rights.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #145 on: October 05, 2018, 12:17:48 PM »
That is an argument everyone disagrees with. There are what you call "facts" on both sides of the argument.

Well, clearly not everyone. But that's the point - it's an argument! With valid opinions and arguments on both sides. But you have decided that because he takes one side of the argument he is a hypocrite. Hello pot, meet kettle.

I ask you a simple question to explain the definition of "murder". You want to show good faith then answer the question before you ask me another one.

Premeditated killing.

If mods deleted every post with your inane "answer my question first" posts, there would be about 28 posts left on this whole forum.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #146 on: October 05, 2018, 12:21:03 PM »
If mods deleted every post with your inane "answer my question first" posts, there would be about 28 posts left on this whole forum.
I wish they would. It would stop all this non-sense.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #147 on: October 05, 2018, 12:24:31 PM »
It is Friday but lets sum this up anyway.
BS and my view are basically the same on abortion.
We both agree on individual rights.
I believe in the women's individual right to choose.
He does not.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #148 on: October 05, 2018, 12:29:40 PM »
It is Friday but lets sum this up anyway.
BS and my view are basically the same on abortion.
We both agree on individual rights.
I believe in the women's individual right to choose.
He does not.
Shouldnít  the fetus have a right to choose?

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #149 on: October 05, 2018, 12:30:48 PM »
I believe in the women's individual right to choose.
He does not.

Indeed he doesn't


Regardless, his position on abortion is still wholly consistent with his view on rights in general. His opinion is that you shouldn't have the right to murder an unborn child just because it's convenient. Your right to choose (just like every other right) ends where it starts infringing on others' rights.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #150 on: October 05, 2018, 12:31:27 PM »
Shouldnít  the fetus have a right to choose?
You are preaching to the choir.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #151 on: October 05, 2018, 12:35:02 PM »
Indeed he doesn't
Wow, after watching that I am glad my religion does not allow abortions.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #152 on: October 05, 2018, 12:39:50 PM »
What is BS view on gay marriage?  :)
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #153 on: October 05, 2018, 12:44:46 PM »
What is BS view on gay marriage?  :)
Basically that government shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #154 on: October 05, 2018, 12:45:06 PM »
What is BS view on gay marriage?  :)
Heís said that obviously his religious views donít condone it, but his main point is that the government should not be involved in who can and cannot get married. Thus allowing gays to be married whether or not he believes they are living in sin. 
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #155 on: October 05, 2018, 12:48:13 PM »
Heís said that obviously his religious views donít condone it, but his main point is that the government should not be involved in who can and cannot get married. Thus allowing gays to be married whether or not he believes they are living in sin. 
yep, basically this. I was just gonna edit my post to make it more clear but you beat me to it.

Bottom line he's pretty libertarian on such issues. The government shouldn't be telling people what they could or cannot do as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #156 on: October 05, 2018, 12:49:03 PM »
Basically that government shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all.
Heís said that obviously his religious views donít condone it, but his main point is that the government should not be involved in who can and cannot get married. Thus allowing gays to be married whether or not he believes they are living in sin. 
So he supports the individual rights of gays to get married? That would agree with individual rights.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #157 on: October 05, 2018, 12:50:29 PM »
What about hurting yourself? Assisted suicide?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #158 on: October 05, 2018, 12:53:15 PM »
So he supports the individual rights of gays to get married? That would agree with individual rights.
Correct. He believes in individual rights   So long as they do not hurt others.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #159 on: October 05, 2018, 12:55:33 PM »
Correct. He believes in individual rights   So long as they do not hurt others.
See I don't hate him. I agree with some of his positions.
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