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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #165 on: October 05, 2018, 03:04:25 PM »
@ChaimMoskowitz he does a very thorough explanation on his views on rights here.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #166 on: October 05, 2018, 03:26:44 PM »
I was so upset about the Q&A session. was incredibly lame and non-entertaining  ;D
lol, it's been quite a while since those were really good. I think people got scared to really challenge him anymore.

I just got to the end, I was kinda disappointed with his answer to that veganism question.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #167 on: October 05, 2018, 04:16:17 PM »
lol, it's been quite a while since those were really good. I think people got scared to really challenge him anymore.

I just got to the end, I was kinda disappointed with his answer to that veganism question.
OMG yes!! srsly lost some respect for him from that answer!!!
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #168 on: October 05, 2018, 04:25:05 PM »
https://www.dailywire.com/news/33013/yes-judaism-pro-life-ben-shapiro

Some impressive halachik scholarship.

The problem is, that his core argument is that the woman does not own the rights of the fetus, rather it lives inside her.
Many halachic opions (inc Rashi iirc) held the fetus is a limb of the mother. The reason abortion is forbidden is because a woman is forbidden to cut her own finger, likewise she cannot hurt herself by abortion.
Using this Logic, and applying it to American standards, abortion should be allowed.
In other words, ben Shapiro considers abortion murder (like many rishonim).
However other rishonim do not. Although they forbid it, using their logic it should be allowed in America.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #169 on: October 05, 2018, 04:50:53 PM »
The problem is, that his core argument is that the woman does not own the rights of the fetus, rather it lives inside her.
Many halachic opions (inc Rashi iirc) held the fetus is a limb of the mother. The reason abortion is forbidden is because a woman is forbidden to cut her own finger, likewise she cannot hurt herself by abortion.
Using this Logic, and applying it to American standards, abortion should be allowed.
In other words, ben Shapiro considers abortion murder (like many rishonim).
However other rishonim do not. Although they forbid it, using their logic it should be allowed in America.
Interesting. I never heard the first approach. With reasoning like that, wouldn't it be a lot simpler to give a heter for it? If cutting your finger would alleviate suffering, it would many times be permitted, and an abortion can definitely relieve suffering in a sense.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #170 on: October 05, 2018, 05:02:06 PM »
Interesting. I never heard the first approach. With reasoning like that, wouldn't it be a lot simpler to give a heter for it? If cutting your finger would alleviate suffering, it would many times be permitted, and an abortion can definitely relieve suffering in a sense.
I assume pshat in that is we Jews value life a lot more in the sense that a fetus can never be considered “suffering” whether physical or financial. Obviously in a case where it’s detrimental to the mother‘s health, it would be a different conversation. But if it was just an inconvenience or a financial situation I don’t believe, and correct me if I’m wrong, that there are halachik  authorities who would allow abortion.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #171 on: October 05, 2018, 05:05:06 PM »
Even on a Friday I am going to leave this one alone.
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #172 on: October 05, 2018, 05:05:27 PM »
If anyone was still wondering about the trash I was reffering to....wonder no longer.
i wanted ur answer not theirs ;D ;D
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #173 on: October 05, 2018, 05:07:42 PM »
i wanted ur ;D ;D answer not theirs
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #174 on: October 05, 2018, 05:11:30 PM »
Wow, after watching that I am glad my religion does not allow abortions.
didnt you already know all that having your own kids?
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #175 on: October 05, 2018, 05:11:34 PM »
Interesting. I never heard the first approach. With reasoning like that, wouldn't it be a lot simpler to give a heter for it? If cutting your finger would alleviate suffering, it would many times be permitted, and an abortion can definitely relieve suffering in a sense.
The debate in Rishonim - yes, acc. to Rashi it is much easier to find a heter.
The Halacha lemaase, modern day poskim are machmir like the rambam, but in extreme cases, they rely on Rashi.
My point is than Ben Shapiro is using the halachik "outcome" but not the reasoning. What he calls complete immorality, is likely shitas Rashi.

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #176 on: October 05, 2018, 05:11:56 PM »
Is that gasoline you are pouring?
call it what you want im having fun
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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #177 on: October 07, 2018, 08:42:13 AM »
I just got to the end, I was kinda disappointed with his answer to that veganism question.
What would you answer?
I would answer like a good Jew, with a question.
"And what do you do about all the cruel animals which murder each other for food? Why don't you go lock them up?"

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #178 on: October 07, 2018, 09:46:27 AM »
What would you answer?
I would answer like a good Jew, with a question.
"And what do you do about all the cruel animals which murder each other for food? Why don't you go lock them up?"

I was most unimpressed that he didn't push back at the moral equivalency between a baby and animals

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Re: Ben Shapiro
« Reply #179 on: October 07, 2018, 02:19:59 PM »
I was most unimpressed that he didn't push back at the moral equivalency between a baby and animals
That.