Author Topic: Why I travel on Shabbat (Read 13107 times)

shapsam · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:12:42 AM »

Quote from: Ygold on July 13, 2018, 10:06:46 AM

ChaimMoskowitz is actually non Jewish and is catholic, so I don't think think he'll have a problem with flying on Shabbos.

Good to point it out just in case OP finds his thread...

AJK · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:14:13 AM »

mileagejunkie · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:18:55 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 13, 2018, 09:57:28 AM

I guess this is one of those conservative "tolerant" views?

Of course it's tolerant, my family dedicated their lives for people who weren't religious, and I mean intermarriage, cellphones ringing on yom kippur etc. But you can't deny the law. The comparison with legal law is on point.

stooges44 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:25:16 AM »

Quote from: AJK on July 13, 2018, 10:14:13 AM

Ditto.

But thumbs up for coming clean like this.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:32:57 AM »

Quote from: mileagejunkie on July 13, 2018, 10:18:55 AM

Of course it's tolerant, my family dedicated their lives for people who weren't religious, and I mean intermarriage, cellphones ringing on yom kippur etc. But you can't deny the law. The comparison with legal law is on point.

I love how everyone is ignoring the main part I take issue with.

Quote from: davidrotts63 on July 13, 2018, 09:53:58 AM

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This isn't Christianity.

yitzgar · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:33:48 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 13, 2018, 09:56:04 AM

I wasn't approving of anything. Is their anyone here that follows their religion 100%? Maybe spend your time on that instead on others observance.

The op deliberately started this discussion. It's not like people came along and started criticizing his level of observance for no reason

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #26 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:36:42 AM »

Quote from: yitzgar on July 13, 2018, 10:33:48 AM

The op deliberately started this discussion. It's not like people came along and started criticizing his level of observance for no reason

True but wouldn't a response like this one be more productive?

Quote from: shwarmabob on July 13, 2018, 09:33:12 AM

If you are proud to be Jewish and love our traditions, then try to keep Shabbos and major/minor holidays according to halacha. Many people went down on the road you are, came to a crossroad and if they took the turn that you are justifying their children and/or grandchildren became non-Jewish. You will not be able to transmit your Jewish pride and love without learning and practicing Jewish tradition as it was practiced for thousands of years by your ancestors.

yitzgar · « **Reply #27 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:39:24 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 13, 2018, 10:36:42 AM

True but wouldn't a response like this one be more productive?

More productive if the point of this thread was to achieve positive results

gingyguy · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:39:34 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 13, 2018, 10:36:42 AM

True but wouldn't a response like this one be more productive?

i would imagine that no matter the response it wouldnt have been productive.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:40:58 AM »

Quote from: gingyguy on July 13, 2018, 10:39:34 AM

i would imagine that no matter the response it wouldnt have been productive.

If that is the case then no response would be better unless you are celebrating PC Friday.

justaregularguy · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:42:45 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 13, 2018, 10:36:42 AM

True but wouldn't a response like this one be more productive?

Yes that’s a better response than telling him to stick to his guns which to me means no need to explore and possibly change for the good🤷‍♂️

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:43:35 AM »

When you read the OP this might help understand: ...I reside in the Silicon Valley.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #32 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:46:30 AM »

Quote from: justaregularguy on July 13, 2018, 10:42:45 AM

Yes that’s a better response than telling him to stick to his guns which to me means no need to explore and possibly change for the good🤷‍♂️

Better to be somewhat observant than not at all. We all know the onslaught that was coming.

Yikes2179 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 13, 2018, 10:51:27 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 13, 2018, 10:46:30 AM

Better to be somewhat observant than not at all. We all know the onslaught that was coming.

That's true - as long as you don't think you're doing everything ok

mileagejunkie · « **Reply #34 on:** July 13, 2018, 11:00:19 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 13, 2018, 10:32:57 AM

I love how everyone is ignoring the main part I take issue with.

Glad to know that you weren't taking issue with anything I said, because my main point was

Quote from: mileagejunkie on July 13, 2018, 08:29:40 AM

It is that it’s “okay” to not be observant as long as you recognize that there are laws and that you are just not interested in them or it is too hard for you to follow them. The moment that you start justifying your actions and saying that you’re doing it the right way is when everything starts going downhill.

I don't think OP deserves any sugar coating after he discredited observant people by justifying that his actions don't go against the law (but he said he can appreciate them lol). I like how he says that his sefaradic background is the reason for not asking a Rabbi (says it more clearly in another post).

I also have yet to find any relation between Rabbinical laws and asking a Rabbi... The best part is when he says that he's proud to be Jewish and respect the traditions but yet only recognizes Oral law.

Anyways, rumor has it that this thread was started to find a shaliach for Malé. @davidrotts63, doesn't look like we're getting the job