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DDFers with raffle entries:
as2: 2
sillypainter: 1
Yaalili: 1
tmendy226: 1
a good yeshiva bachur: 1
crony: 1
Zevi16: 1
ruv: 2
mendyt: 1
EJB:

https://www.dansdeals.com/advertisement/enter-win-twin-cabin-aboard-journey-lifetime-antarctica-5000-cash-private-consult-supporting-chabad-cleveland/

https://www.chabadofcleveland.com/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/4096324/jewish/Antarctica-Cruise-Raffle.htm

Add your name if you will purchase a $100 raffle ticket for the Antarctica trip.

If you will buy more than 1 write it next to your user name:


1 - CM
2 - yossig
3 - JoeyShmoe
4 - Yitzyul 
5 - Wizmanison (2)
6 - Bentzy
7-  mendyt
8-  jes
9- nafnaf12
10- lubaby (2)
12-abey
13- Z56
14 - crony
15 - stever (2)
« Last edited by EJB on August 16, 2018, 02:37:35 AM »

Poll

Which amount and format would you buy in at? (vote for one of each)

50%+ to Charity
11 (8.7%)
10-15% to Charity
3 (2.4%)
Any amount to Charity
18 (14.3%)
I don't care if my money goes to charity
19 (15.1%)
Variable ticket prices $1-$360 chosen at random
11 (8.7%)
I wouldn't buy in at more than $150-$180
10 (7.9%)
I wouldn't buy in at more than $100-$150
15 (11.9%)
$100 is my max
39 (31%)

Total Members Voted: 85

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #400 on: August 12, 2018, 12:07:20 PM »
56 people bought the package of 2 tickets for $180
120 people bought the package of 2 tickets for $180

..oops!

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #401 on: August 12, 2018, 12:08:13 PM »
56 people bought the package of 2 tickets for $180
120 people bought the package of 2 tickets for $180

..oops1
Beat me too it.

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #402 on: August 12, 2018, 12:28:25 PM »
So you quote him saying "speak to your LOR" yet you're complaining that he's giving halachik advice??

No "its the same as any other chairty raffle"

"I dont see why not"

Adding a caveat 'ask your lor' does no justice.

I dont want to create confrontation - I see Dan's side of view - this isnt being advertised as a fundraiser for the org. but just that it supports it

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #403 on: August 12, 2018, 12:29:39 PM »
Good grief, talk about making assumptions. Watch the video, it isn't the holy grail, it's a different perspective on charity fundraising.

And as for what you do with halacha like everyone said above it's like anything else, talk to your rav.

Sorry to cause you grief ;)

I watched it, great video . . . I see the perspective though not sure it is inline with Halacha though again your right Im not a rav and not my place to poskin how Masser falls into everything

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #404 on: August 12, 2018, 12:31:31 PM »
I once donated money to a poor family, and then I noticed them buying ices for the kids during a heatwave. I double checked the nutritional facts of the brand and saw that they ices were quite unhealthy, so naturally I never gave them another penny.

Are you joking? This isnt about where pennies are going - I am a big supproter in going above and beyond - I would be 100 percent fine with my money going towards the family taking a vacation to miami in the ritz - I actually think we need more Jewish orgs. giving our Jewish brothers and sisters the same luxeries we like

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #406 on: August 12, 2018, 12:32:47 PM »
This should be split to 'about giving tzadaka thread', you're supposed to give tzadaka with a smile and heartfull without being nitty gritty on how much they need and how they spend. And may Hashem give all of us without deep inspection how we behave, and that's why before you kippur you throw in to all pans some coins to show that we give without a chesbon, it should be mailitz yosher we should get withou a chesbon.

Tzadaka is about helping those in need it's not an extension of liberalism I'll support you and tell you how to spend it. And the gemorah says "afilu lirchov al chamor" so keep it cool and give him another dollar to overcome your nesoyen.

Amen!! so you support my view - I dont care if the Tzedakah goes towards giving a rolex to a person in need - I just want to know if 99 percent of my ticket goes towards the trip instead of the org.

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #407 on: August 12, 2018, 12:33:52 PM »
You're talking to someone who asks collectors how much of a cut they get, clearly not someone interested in making them feel dignified, let alone appreciated.

I ask them and then give them more so they can take some more home - I do it in the most sensitive way but thanks for bringing me down -

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #408 on: August 12, 2018, 12:43:20 PM »
Why is it any different than any raffle with a large cash prize?
https://www.dansdeals.com/advertisement/1-day-70-tickets-left-support-kollel-ohr-hatefila-one-220-will-win-10000/
https://www.dansdeals.com/advertisement/24-hours-left-join-charity-game-many-winners-grand-prize-18000-supporting-great-cause/
https://www.dansdeals.com/advertisement/5-days-left-act-fast-win-50000-cash-joining-leshadech-raffle-10-prizes-10-winners/
https://www.dansdeals.com/advertisement/2-days-left-incredible-opportunity-make-difference-win-big-win-50000-cash-great-prizes/

Etc.

Dan, I see your perspective, this does seem to be common - I made an assumption that the prize of all of these types was donated in kind but that is likely not the case and further all have overhead being covered by the ticket.

On something like this:

https://www.dansdeals.com/advertisement/5-days-left-act-fast-win-50000-cash-joining-leshadech-raffle-10-prizes-10-winners/

"May be bought with maaser money; donations are fully tax deductible."

 I don't know how they came to that conclusion which isn't listed on the other ads and it could be they have everything donated in-kind but who knows


I guess this is more of a question for a LOR.

Best.


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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #409 on: August 12, 2018, 12:44:51 PM »
This whole maaser discussion seems to be predicated on this raffle being in order to raise money for a tzedaka. Is that the case? Or is the raffle simply to be able to get a trip and we needed a place for the extra money to go to?
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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #410 on: August 12, 2018, 12:45:14 PM »
This is so ridiculous on so many levels.
Come on - does it hurt to be nice ;)
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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #411 on: August 12, 2018, 12:48:12 PM »
So if you win, just ask your LOR how much maaser you should give, as the dollar value of what you receive is greater than what you paid for it.

If you received nothing tangible in exchange, why wouldn't you consider it all maaser (or tzedoko)?

On another note, do you ever *thank* people for soliciting you for a donation? If you haven't, I strongly suggest you start doing it, it will make you feel better about giving, and might also be a form of tzedoko, in making the solicitor feel appreciated.

But if one does not win can you count the $100 ticket as Masser is my question.

One never gets anything tangible?

Thanks - I try to smile and not make them feel bad but that is a beautiful thing to do, I will try to do so the next time a collector comes around, thank you for that amazing tip!!!

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #412 on: August 12, 2018, 12:52:58 PM »
That's the goal. I'm just not sure we'll make it there.

Can you publicly say what the min is?

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #413 on: August 12, 2018, 12:54:09 PM »
Can you publicly say what the min is?
I don't know what the minimum is. Not my call.
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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #414 on: August 12, 2018, 01:10:34 PM »
Surprised only 4 people from OH bought.

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #415 on: August 12, 2018, 01:11:35 PM »
Surprised only 4 people from OH bought.
-Didn't advertise it locally
-Small number of local DD followers
-Takes a certain kind of person able to take off 2 weeks and go to Antarctica.
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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #416 on: August 12, 2018, 01:19:03 PM »
Def not tax deductible unless Dan makes it a sweepstakes w no purchase entry option (even if difficult to do, like get him a postcard by tomorrow). Even then many tax professionals would frown on deducting this and would view it as gambling losses.

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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #417 on: August 12, 2018, 02:45:14 PM »
I don't know what the minimum is. Not my call.
Can you ask?  :)
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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #418 on: August 12, 2018, 03:01:35 PM »
Can you ask?  :)
I'd assume it will be a gametime decision based on sales.
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Re: Now Live! Antarctica Cruise Raffle
« Reply #419 on: August 12, 2018, 03:32:32 PM »
I'd assume it will be a gametime decision based on sales.
Unless critical mass is reached sooner. Though it might help the cause if they set a minimum and a maximum.
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