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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #360 on: October 08, 2017, 12:35:33 PM »
You misunderstood. It is not something which is not a wall at all. It is one but is tluya. There are 2 ways to look at it either the latform is a floor and it starts there or the whole thing is wall and is just bent.
Finally you are actually trying to make an aurgument. (It's like squeezing blood outta stone sometimes...).

Your argument that the platform is a floor works according to most of the poskim to be mashlim 7*7. I don't agree that it automatically negates the issue of mechitza teluya. (It is a floor for internal spacial considerations. It is not the floor under the wall to make it not teluya.).

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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #361 on: October 08, 2017, 12:39:21 PM »
Finally you are actually trying to make an aurgument. (It's like squeezing blood outta stone sometimes...).

Your argument that the platform is a floor works according to most of the poskim to be mashlim 7*7. I don't agree that it automatically negates the issue of mechitza teluya. (It is a floor for internal spacial considerations. It is not the floor under the wall to make it not teluya.).
The two work together like rosh agalah. The main point is the poskim are very clear that they do not consider it to be a concern. Go through them.
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #362 on: October 08, 2017, 01:52:31 PM »
The two work together like rosh agalah. The main point is the poskim are very clear that they do not consider it to be a concern. Go through them.
Lol did you read what you actually posted? His first sevara is that it's not domeh because the wall is thick etc like I told you ^(not our case).
Then in brackets he gives a whole sevara lehokel in our case which I don't think is so poshut at all).
Eta, his rayos are very very shvach.

Eta2 looks like he is being mechadesh a new halacha lemoshe misiny of karka akuma. Meh.

Also, who is the writer of the bottom part?
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #363 on: October 08, 2017, 01:59:17 PM »


The two work together like rosh agalah. The main point is the poskim are very clear that they do not consider it to be a concern. Go through them
This is sooo not a rosh agala... The reason why there is no "issue" of mechitza teluya by rosh agala is not merely because the gediyim are not bokeya into the succah; it is because the mechitza of the succa is NOT teluya at all. It is perfect and whole.
Incomparable to this case.


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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #364 on: October 08, 2017, 02:22:16 PM »
Lol did you read what you actually posted? His first sevara is that it's not domeh because the wall is thick etc like I told you ^(not our case).
Then in brackets he gives a whole sevara lehokel in our case which I don't think is so poshut at all).
Eta, his rayos are very very shvach.

Eta2 looks like he is being mechadesh a new halacha lemoshe misiny of karka akuma. Meh.

Also, who is the writer of the bottom part?
Bottom is same author as top.

The real point is the earlier poskim who don't even feel the need to discuss it and take it as poshut
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #365 on: October 08, 2017, 02:25:33 PM »
Bottom is same author as top.

The real point is the earlier poskim who don't even feel the need to discuss it and take it as poshut
No again, as you can see in the sefer quoted, the normal case, that is taken as a given, is when the wall is thick and is kulo sosum outside.

Our case is very unique, and I don't think we can just assume it's good without something clearer, or at least a good Raya. All these poskim are busy with 7*7 issues. They are not addressing dofen problems.

Since when do we say "well it's not discussed so must be fine"??

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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #366 on: October 08, 2017, 02:40:05 PM »
No again, as you can see in the sefer quoted, the normal case, that is taken as a given, is when the wall is thick and is kulo sosum outside.

Our case is very unique, and I don't think we can just assume it's good without something clearer, or at least a good Raya. All these poskim are busy with 7*7 issues. They are not addressing dofen problems.

Since when do we say "well it's not discussed so must be fine"??
Did you look at the sources? They very explicitly discuss a daf this way and that. One is discussing beds with one board inside and one out around the sides. You should look at their cases before deciding what they are discussing. RSZ brings in bokim how is there bokim from the a wall getting thinner?
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #367 on: October 10, 2017, 01:48:53 PM »
Kainus doesn't hold up in rain as well.
+2 gets water logged and moldy. Not suitable for USA
@aygart @churnbabychurn Which is the kainus, the flat sticks or the mini round bamboo sticks ?
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #368 on: October 10, 2017, 01:59:08 PM »
@aygart @churnbabychurn Which is the kainus, the flat sticks or the mini round bamboo sticks ?
They are round but not bamboo they are reeds
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #369 on: October 10, 2017, 02:04:10 PM »
They are round but not bamboo they are reeds
So the flat ones are better ? Cause mine got all moldy yesterday

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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #370 on: October 10, 2017, 02:05:48 PM »
So the flat ones are better ? Cause mine got all moldy yesterday
None are great
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #371 on: October 10, 2017, 11:07:59 PM »
Did you look at the sources? They very explicitly discuss a daf this way and that. One is discussing beds with one board inside and one out around the sides. You should look at their cases before deciding what they are discussing. RSZ brings in bokim how is there bokim from the a wall getting thinner?
Knew I'd seen this.. anyway, here is RSZ brought down in back of sefer hasucca.
Let's analyze how his pesak applies to our case.

According to RSZ hav'a Amina the dofen is teluya and possul. (See the הערה there.)

According to his maskana, to be machshir we would need to call the van floor "karka hasuka"; but here, it's not even under secach, it's under a dofen akum that we can't sit under! And it's not בנוי ומחובר לקרקע etc
So I would still say it's not kosher...







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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #372 on: October 10, 2017, 11:16:00 PM »
Btw, interesting that rsz brings a raaya from the ship in shabbos kinda the opposite of the sefer hilchos chag bechag quoted upthread where he brings a raaya   from the same exact sugiya!

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« Reply #373 on: October 10, 2017, 11:19:42 PM »
Knew I'd seen this.. anyway, here is RSZ brought down in back of sefer hasucca.
Let's analyze how his pesak applies to our case.

According to RSZ hav'a Amina the dofen is teluya and possul. (See the הערה there.)

According to his maskana, to be machshir we would need to call the van floor "karka hasuka"; but here, it's not even under secach, it's under a dofen akum that we can't sit under! And it's not בנוי ומחובר לקרקע etc
So I would still say it's not kosher...






Except that even in the hava amina he writes that if it is 7x7 it is fine. Also, there is no dofen akuma on the schach. It is less than 4 tfachim of pasul which you can sit under.
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #374 on: October 10, 2017, 11:22:37 PM »
Except that even in the hava amina he writes that if it is 7x7 it is fine. Also, there is no dofen akuma on the schach. It is less than 4 tfachim of pasul which you can sit under.
No. Read it again. He explicitly says that the width and length is 7*7 without the step.