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Wood
Pros: Cheap
         Easy to change shape or size as your needs for space change
         DIY - most people would be able to build it from scratch or make modifications (e.g. add windows)
         Can be converted to chazzon ish (replace metal screws with peg screws)
         Can integrate a schlock to the structure
Cons: Heavy, Can warp over time. (note: if you use enough fasteners and are also careful to assemble it balanced this can be minimized)
         Needs lots of storage space

Fiberglass
Pros: Easy Setup (on level ground)
         Length/width is reconfigurable (you just need to buy a few 2x4 beams if you change layout)
Cons: Expensive
         Greenhouse effect on hot days (need to budget for several open/shut windows)
         Connection threads can become bent even with proper storage (need to budget for the odd panel replacement here and there)
         Can Crack or Break

Canvas
Pros: Setup in minutes
Cons: Not accepted by all poskim
         Poor protection from cold Weather
         Wind Can be bothersome.


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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #435 on: October 04, 2019, 11:16:48 AM »
Wait, so a tarp is or isn't kosher?

Fwiw I do want to make a kosher sukkah...

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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #436 on: October 04, 2019, 11:23:37 AM »
Wait, so a tarp is or isn't kosher?

Fwiw I do want to make a kosher sukkah...
But is it kosher?

If it is for just one yesr then buy some 1/2s or 2x3s from HD to make a frame including lavud up to 10 tfachim and then get some cheap fabric.
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #437 on: October 04, 2019, 11:58:46 AM »
Wait, so a tarp is or isn't kosher?

Fwiw I do want to make a kosher sukkah...

The lattice idea is great for FL, but it might be a little more involved and more costly. You have to build out a frame either way, likely out of dimensional lumber.

If you do the lattice, they sell 4x8 sheets, so you basically need to make a frame where the vertical studs are 4' apart, and then put in however much additional framing/backing (possibly out of smaller dimensional lumber) within each 4x8 space to make it as sturdy as you'd like - but you don't need to build for lavud as the lattice helps form the wall.

If you do tarps (or any other fabric), you should plan for the frame you build to be the kosher wall. You might be able to place your studs farther apart (say 60" or 80" apart instead of 48"). You can then run 3 strips of 1x2 material horizontally from stud to stud, starting from the bottom of the frame, each just under 3 tefachim above the last. This will give you less than 3 tefachim between each strip for lavud, and a total of more than 10 tefachim from ground to the last strip (including the dimensions of the 3 strips of 1x2 material placed flat so that the 3 2x's add to an additional 4.5") for a kosher wall. At that point whatever you hang on the walls is for privacy/wind/shade etc, not for the kashrus of the sukkah.

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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #438 on: October 04, 2019, 12:06:27 PM »
The lattice idea is great for FL, but it might be a little more involved and more costly. You have to build out a frame either way, likely out of dimensional lumber.

If you do the lattice, they sell 4x8 sheets, so you basically need to make a frame where the vertical studs are 4' apart, and then put in however much additional framing/backing (possibly out of smaller dimensional lumber) within each 4x8 space to make it as sturdy as you'd like - but you don't need to build for lavud as the lattice helps form the wall.

If you do tarps (or any other fabric), you should plan for the frame you build to be the kosher wall. You might be able to place your studs farther apart (say 60" or 80" apart instead of 48"). You can then run 3 strips of 1x2 material horizontally from stud to stud, starting from the bottom of the frame, each just under 3 tefachim above the last. This will give you less than 3 tefachim between each strip for lavud, and a total of more than 10 tefachim from ground to the last strip (including the dimensions of the 3 strips of 1x2 material placed flat so that the 3 2x's add to an additional 4.5") for a kosher wall. At that point whatever you hang on the walls is for privacy/wind/shade etc, not for the kashrus of the sukkah.
With lattice you do not need to make the frame as sturdy in itself since the lattice can contribute to that.

By adding one extra strip across you can get all opinions of the size of a tefach included.
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #439 on: October 04, 2019, 12:22:04 PM »
With lattice you do not need to make the frame as sturdy in itself since the lattice can contribute to that.

By adding one extra strip across you can get all opinions of the size of a tefach included.
I hear. Don't have experience with lattice myself, but I would imagine that on a 20' wall, you need more than just 4' on center framing with lattice screwed on.
By adding one extra strip across you can get all opinions of the size of a tefach included.
Interesting. Does anyone actually pasken this way l'maaseh (ie to make sure your straps are lavud even acc to R' Chaim Noeh, while your wall is 10 tefachim even acc to Chazon Ish)? I know it wouldn't be a raya, but do the canvas sukkah's come with 3 strips or 4?

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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #440 on: October 04, 2019, 12:26:40 PM »
I hear. Don't have experience with lattice myself, but I would imagine that on a 20' wall, you need more than just 4' on center framing with lattice screwed on.Interesting. Does anyone actually pasken this way l'maaseh (ie to make sure your straps are lavud even acc to R' Chaim Noeh, while your wall is 10 tefachim even acc to Chazon Ish)? I know it wouldn't be a raya, but do the canvas sukkah's come with 3 strips or 4?
You would need more than just the center, but a box around the lattice can be enough. With fabrice you need more crossbeams to keep the stability of the frame.
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #441 on: October 04, 2019, 01:15:58 PM »
But is it kosher?

If it is for just one yesr then buy some 1/2s or 2x3s from HD to make a frame including lavud up to 10 tfachim and then get some cheap fabric.

Even if it's for many years. My sukkah walls all seem to be tarp, but none of that is relied upon for the Kashrus of the sukkah, those are there only לצניעותא and for some protection from the elements. It is actually the steel fencing surrounding my deck that makes it Kosher.
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #442 on: October 04, 2019, 02:00:42 PM »
Even if it's for many years. My sukkah walls all seem to be tarp, but none of that is relied upon for the Kashrus of the sukkah, those are there only לצניעותא and for some protection from the elements. It is actually the steel fencing surrounding my deck that makes it Kosher.
Steel fencing sounds like overkill for one year.
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #443 on: October 04, 2019, 02:05:19 PM »
Even if it's for many years. My sukkah walls all seem to be tarp, but none of that is relied upon for the Kashrus of the sukkah, those are there only לצניעותא and for some protection from the elements. It is actually the steel fencing surrounding my deck that makes it Kosher.
I think he means going with cheaper framing and fabric/tarp materials, not the design.

Mine is the same (wood though, not steel). Deck was built by a previous owner with high, tightly packed wood slat walls, and then the frum people we bought it from slapped on a permanent frame for the schach/hanging the tarps.

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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #444 on: October 04, 2019, 02:29:08 PM »
Steel fencing sounds like overkill for one year.

Definitely.

I was referring to something like this:
Mine is the same (wood though, not steel). Deck was built by a previous owner with high, tightly packed wood slat walls, and then the frum people we bought it from slapped on a permanent frame for the schach/hanging the tarps.

Though mine might not be that tightly packed, but definitely qualifies as a kosher wall from a Halachic standpoint.
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #445 on: October 04, 2019, 02:32:48 PM »
Definitely.

I was referring to something like this:
Though mine might not be that tightly packed, but definitely qualifies as a kosher wall from a Halachic standpoint.
Yes pre-existing walls can sometimes make things easier.
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #446 on: October 04, 2019, 03:16:51 PM »



Sorry, didn't read the whole thread.

Looking to buy or make the cheapest possible 10x20 sukkah.

It's just for 1 year use and then throwing it away basically.

Found this on Amazon for $679 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ILOH9YG/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Can I do better?

Also the sukkah is to seat 19 people, does 10x20 sound like the right size?

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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #447 on: October 07, 2019, 03:41:07 PM »
Thinking of making sliding windows out of plexiglass.

Ideas for tracks?

ETA: Maybe some simple drawer slides?
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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #448 on: October 15, 2019, 11:12:01 PM »
Make lavud straps
any ideas for easy assembly? im looking for something that i can buy and put on without too much work/tools (sukka is already up)

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Re: Best Sukkah?
« Reply #449 on: October 15, 2019, 11:13:38 PM »
any ideas for easy assembly? im looking for something that i can buy and put on without too much work/tools (sukka is already up)
Ratchet straps