Serious Halachic Question

[ChaimMoskowitz]

(I have a feeling I'm gonna get killed for this post )

That depends if you believe your word means nothing. 

[aygart]

We can round and round all you want with these scenarios. It doesn't get any simpler for me. You gave your word, so honor it.

Here is how it went down for me. Received a message if I was buying coins he would take them. I said what ever I get you can have. That was it. Can I get more elsewhere, of course but that is meaningless.

Was there a commitment to actually buy?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Was there a commitment to actually buy?

You are not in the political thread. 

[aygart]

You are not in the political thread. 

And therefore?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

And therefore?

Don't try and twist.

[aygart]

Don't try and twist.

If you think that the question was an attemt to twist then either you are misunderstanding what I wrote or I am misunderstanding what you wrote.

[ExGingi]

You are not in the political thread. 

You need to start taking Gemara lessons.

You should also see what goes on in a court of law. (I know we're not talking about law here, but about what's right).

Now if one is legally allowed to back out of a commitment, and then takes the step to contact the counterparty and discuss whether he would back out or not (something that is more likely to occur with someone that has less life experience), is that wrong?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

If you think that the question was an attemt to twist then either you are misunderstanding what I wrote or I am misunderstanding what you wrote.

If I get a coin/s he will buy them. I committed to what ever coins I get to sell to him. He committed to buy whatever coins I purchased. Not sure what is so hard to understand. So I guess I am not understanding what you are asking.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

You need to start taking Gemara lessons.

You should also see what goes on in a court of law. (I know we're not talking about law here, but about what's right).

Now if one is legally allowed to back out of a commitment, and then takes the step to contact the counterparty and discuss whether he would back out or not (something that is more likely to occur with someone that has less life experience), is that wrong?

You are looking at this from a religion point of view?

[whYME]

You are looking at this from a religion point of view?

What gave it away? was it the thread title?

[davidrotts63]

What gave it away? was it the thread title?

ALOL

[ChaimMoskowitz]

What gave it away? was it the thread title?

So when you deal with someone who is not of your religion what rules do you go by?

I guess this means in Judaism your word is worthless?

[davidrotts63]

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Better get some butter because I am on a roll. 

[davidrotts63]

Better get some butter because I am on a roll. 

What happens if you stop now and I waste my butter, do you have to reimburse me? Because you gave your word.

[ExGingi]

Better get some butter because I am on a roll. 

I thought that for you it would be lard.

In any event, while the thread title does imply a religious point of view, I was very serious about Gemara lessons, and not from a religious perspective, but from a perspective of reasoning and careful analysis of words.

[whYME]

I guess this means in Judaism your word is worthless?

1. I'm not sure where I implied that.

2. IIUC the whole argument here is if you've actually given your word? Or at what point you're considered fully committed.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

What happens if you stop now and I waste my butter, do you have to reimburse me? Because you have you're word.

I am not the one going to stop. The ones with the indefensible position IHMO will be stopping.

[davidrotts63]

I am not the one going to stop. The ones with the indefensible position IHMO will be stopping.

Im ok with my position:
In a chair with some popcorn.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

1. I'm not sure where I implied that.

You implied this was a religious (Judaism) discussion. This whole discussion is about how to weasel out of a deal. So I will ask again:

I guess this means in Judaism your word is worthless?