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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #80 on: September 07, 2018, 01:58:51 PM »
If I get a coin/s he will buy them. I committed to what ever coins I get to sell to him. He committed to buy whatever coins I purchased. Not sure what is so hard to understand. So I guess I am not understanding what you are asking.
He only commited to do that if you forward within an hour.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #81 on: September 07, 2018, 02:00:16 PM »
I thought that for you it would be lard.

In any event, while the thread title does imply a religious point of view, I was very serious about Gemara lessons, and not from a religious perspective, but from a perspective of reasoning and careful analysis of words.
Does Gemara teach common sense?
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #82 on: September 07, 2018, 02:01:33 PM »
Does Gemara teach common sense?
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #83 on: September 07, 2018, 02:03:39 PM »
He only commited to do that if you forward within an hour.
Where did you get that from?
Lets not beat around the bush. This is about people that weasel out of a deal because they found out they could get more else where. We are going to come up with 20 pages of nonsense why it might be OK. Like I said before this is not the political thread.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #84 on: September 07, 2018, 02:04:10 PM »
More than anything.
I guess many here were absent for that lesson then.  :)
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #85 on: September 07, 2018, 02:06:53 PM »
Where did you get that from?
Lets not beat around the bush. This is about people that weasel out of a deal because they found out they could get more else where. We are going to come up with 20 pages of nonsense why it might be OK. Like I said before this is not the political thread.
After the deal went live, one party gave the other one hour to provide order information, or lose the commitment.

I agree with but am also keeping in mind that there is no way to know within the hour that it would go in that direction.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #86 on: September 07, 2018, 02:11:04 PM »
I agree with but am also keeping in mind that there is no way to know within the hour that it would go in that direction.
So your source is someone who said: "I am not familiar with the coin business..."
Mods can you just merge this with the political thread?  :)
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #87 on: September 07, 2018, 02:13:03 PM »
This is about people that weasel out of a deal because they found out they could get more else where.
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IIUC the whole argument here is if you've actually given your word? Or at what point you're considered fully committed.
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considering that the whole discussion here is about two parties banding together to screw a 3rd party ... I'm not sure it's to be unexpected if they screw each other...

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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #88 on: September 07, 2018, 02:14:20 PM »
Where did you get that from?
Lets not beat around the bush. This is about people that weasel out of a deal because they found out they could get more else where. We are going to come up with 20 pages of nonsense why it might be OK. Like I said before this is not the political thread.

I don't think anyone here is trying to "weasel out of a deal because they found out they could get more elsewhere". Many people hold themselves to higher standards than they hold others, and try not to be judgmental of others. This isn't 20 pages of nonsense, but rather 20 pages of how/why not to judge someone who chose to go elsewhere after agreeing to a certain deal.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #89 on: September 07, 2018, 02:17:29 PM »
So your source is someone who said: "I am not familiar with the coin business..."
Mods can you just merge this with the political thread?  :)

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As a reminder, deal terms are that we get the order numbers into our system by 1PM ET.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #90 on: September 07, 2018, 02:22:33 PM »
This isn't 20 pages of nonsense, but rather 20 pages of how/why not to judge someone who chose to go elsewhere after agreeing to a certain deal.
Ok you don't want me to judge weasels, fine. They are still weasels.
I won't judge child molesters either but they still are child molesters.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #91 on: September 07, 2018, 03:18:03 PM »
So your source is someone who said: "I am not familiar with the coin business..."
Mods can you just merge this with the political thread?  :)
I specifically wrote
Based on the way @ExGingi desribed this I can see why it may be okay to back out before sending the order info. It is only upon sending it that there is a commitment.
And that is what you were disagreeing about. If it is based on an incorrect premise then just say so.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2018, 04:13:24 PM »
as a side point im pretty sure that the average person here wouldnt
weasel out of a deal
even to make   a few more dollars, because of the standards they hold themselves to - i know that i wouldn't.  The question was only if they are allowed to , in these circumstances.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #93 on: September 07, 2018, 04:19:11 PM »
The question was only if they are allowed to , in these circumstances.
We are going to come up with 20 pages of nonsense why it might be OK. Like I said before this is not the political thread.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2018, 04:26:07 PM »
I would like to compliment the buyers who when offering a better commission stated specifically only if you aren't committed to a different buyer yet.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2018, 04:27:27 PM »
We are going to come up with 20 pages of nonsense why it might be OK.

i found it strange that any opinion that doesnt line up with yours is nonsense
Like I said before this is not the political thread.

which in todays political atmosphere, kind of makes this the political thrread.




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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #96 on: September 07, 2018, 04:28:24 PM »
as a side point im pretty sure that the average person here wouldnteven to make   a few more dollars, because of the standards they hold themselves to - i know that i wouldn't.  The question was only if they are allowed to , in these circumstances.

Something about these gingys saying things along the same lines. Or is this just a case of rephrase and repost?  ;)

I don't think anyone here is trying to "weasel out of a deal because they found out they could get more elsewhere". Many people hold themselves to higher standards than they hold others, and try not to be judgmental of others. This isn't 20 pages of nonsense, but rather 20 pages of how/why not to judge someone who chose to go elsewhere after agreeing to a certain deal.
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #97 on: September 07, 2018, 04:29:08 PM »
which in todays political atmosphere, kind of makes this the political thrread.
Then lets go all the way. Please list the all the weasels!!!
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2018, 04:36:05 PM »
Something about these gingys saying things along the same lines. Or is this just a case of rephrase and repost?  ;)
Are you related to ExGingi by any chance?
sorry for plagiarizing but i only read CMs posts ;D ;D
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Re: Serious Halachic Question
« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2018, 06:15:30 PM »
I would like to compliment the buyers who when offering a better commission stated specifically only if you aren't committed to a different buyer yet.
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