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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #100 on: October 12, 2018, 09:15:53 AM »
excuse me but my post did not say anything bad about any of the victims of this horrible accidents.
No I won't excuse you. You can frame your comment anyway you want but it was disgusting!!!
I make a snarky comment to point out the hypocrisy of the YOU and the anti gun crowd (I am personally very pro gun control)  that use every shooting as an excuse to be anti 2nd amendment  (don't let a crisis go to waste) but are horrified when someone uses a crisis for something else
You really need to get your facts straight instead of just being a sheep and following the heard. You are clueless on my views on the 2A and gun control.
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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #101 on: October 12, 2018, 09:21:38 AM »
No I won't excuse you. You can frame your comment anyway you want but it was disgusting!!!You really need to get your facts straight instead of just being a sheep and following the heard. You are clueless on my views on the 2A and gun control.
this has nothing to do with gun control. I am definitely more pro gun control than you. I am pointing out your hypocrisy that only some crisis are allowed to be politicized and not others

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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #102 on: October 12, 2018, 09:28:17 AM »
this has nothing to do with gun control. I am definitely more pro gun control than you. I am pointing out your hypocrisy that only some crisis are allowed to be politicized and not others
You believe that bringing up guns in a mass shooting is politicizing it. I have no problem with that. I believe having a gun debate is part on the solution that will save lives. Either way your comment here was out of line and disgusting.

If you want to bring up that limo's should be more regulated here go for it. What you want to do is attack me here for my views on other issues. Not going to go unchecked!!!
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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #103 on: October 12, 2018, 09:40:28 AM »
You believe that bringing up guns in a mass shooting is politicizing it. I have no problem with that. I believe having a gun debate is part on the solution that will save lives. Either way your comment here was out of line and disgusting.

If you want to bring up that limo's should be more regulated here go for it. What you want to do is attack me here for my views on other issues. Not going to go unchecked!!!
but using a crisis and peoples emotions to take away a constitutional right is much more dangerous than any guns.
as an orthodox Jew (the only minority that it is political correct to hate) blessed to live in this great free country by the grace of G- D. the constitution is the document that saves us from getting burnt at stake and send to concentration camp.
 taking away constitutional rights will kill much more than guns can

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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #104 on: October 12, 2018, 09:48:41 AM »
but using a crisis and peoples emotions to take away a constitutional right is much more dangerous than any guns.
as an orthodox Jew (the only minority that it is political correct to hate) blessed to live in this great free country by the grace of G- D. the constitution is the document that saves us from getting burnt at stake and send to concentration camp.
 taking away constitutional rights will kill much more than guns can
You have your view and that is fine. Your logic is misplaced and we can discuss that. This thread has nothing to do with that and doesn't belong here. What is so hard to understand?


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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #105 on: October 12, 2018, 09:51:38 AM »
as an orthodox Jew (the only minority that it is political correct to hate)...
What the h*ll it is Friday. I am sure the blacks would disagree with you and both of you would be wrong.
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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #106 on: October 12, 2018, 09:52:07 AM »
You have your view and that is fine. Your logic is misplaced and we can discuss that. This thread has nothing to do with that and doesn't belong here. What is so hard to understand?
so what  did the parkland thread have to do with gun control?

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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #107 on: October 12, 2018, 09:55:52 AM »
so what  did the parkland thread have to do with gun control?
You want to know what someone killing many people with a gun has to do with guns? Do you want also want to know what Parkland has to do with school security? Or how about mental illness in this country?
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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #108 on: October 12, 2018, 09:57:59 AM »
You want to know what someone killing many people with a gun has to do with guns? Do you want also want to know what Parkland has to do with school security? Or how about mental illness in this country?
so why can't this thread be about Auto safety?

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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #109 on: October 12, 2018, 10:00:02 AM »
so why can't this thread be about Auto safety?
It can and that is a valid point. Are you now trying to say your OP was about auto safety?
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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #110 on: October 12, 2018, 10:21:15 AM »
ban all assault limousines without a background check
assault limousine = cut vehicle with no inspection.  background check = Pakistani who's father infiltrated terror groups

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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #111 on: October 12, 2018, 10:23:00 AM »
assault limousine = cut vehicle with no inspection.  background check = Pakistani who's father infiltrated terror groups
It is a very simple question.
Are you now trying to say your OP was about auto safety?
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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #112 on: October 12, 2018, 10:25:12 AM »
it was about how to prevent mass causality events

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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #113 on: October 12, 2018, 10:27:35 AM »
it was about how to prevent mass causality events
I am going to take a will guess and say that is going to be hard sell to get anyone to believe that was the intent to your OP. Either way I think it is clear by now.
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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #114 on: October 12, 2018, 10:36:18 AM »
What the h*ll it is Friday. I am sure the blacks would disagree with you and both of you would be wrong.
You clearly are not familiar with the politics here in the tri state/upstate NY area.

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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #115 on: October 12, 2018, 10:40:30 AM »
You clearly are not familiar with the politics here in the tri state/upstate NY area.
True but not sure what that small area has to do with my larger statement.
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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #116 on: October 12, 2018, 11:01:30 AM »
background check = Pakistani who's father infiltrated terror groups
That would actually be reason for someone to pass a background check with flying colors
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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #117 on: October 12, 2018, 01:00:26 PM »
There are many valid points here that @ChaimMoskowitz would see because he's a very intelligent person but he's letting passion and emotion overwhelming him.

First off,gun owners see the call of gun control after a mass shooting as manipulating a tragedy. Calls for arming teachers etc are considered insane by you but logical to me.

Gun control in terms of preventing people with mental health issues is a very complex case. For one, many soldiers are diagnosed with PTSD etc and true there are legit health concerns but where you precieve protecting the public, I see a violation of constitutional rights and disarming law abiding citizens is a danger.. from anarchy, a government of tyranny etc.. you can laugh all you want but that's what makes this republic great .

Now, the same logic could be for cars, who knows maybe we should racially profile Muslims from getting a license and car they may use it in terror attacks.

Maybe the limo crash was a terror attack ?

Maybe we should revoke the license of anyone on prescription medication, anyone with mental health issues may suffer from impulsive road rage, anyone who drinks or smokes weed.

After all, as per the state of Florida, the operating of a motor vehicle is a right,not a privilege. So you want to triffle with a constitutional right but damn, you should have your license revoked if you can't show why you need a car and can't take public transportation.

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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2018, 01:08:27 PM »
There are many valid points here that @ChaimMoskowitz would see because he's a very intelligent person but he's letting passion and emotion overwhelming him.

First off,gun owners see the call of gun control after a mass shooting as manipulating a tragedy. Calls for arming teachers etc are considered insane by you but logical to me.
You just don't get it. I see all the points you are making about guns. I just disagree with some of them. The bottom line is any talk of guns don't belong in this thread.

Not all gun owners see this issue the same as you. There is no bigger gun owner of this forum than me. So please stop with your BS just because I take the position that part of the problem is to many guns that I am anti this and anti that.
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Re: 20 killed in upstate NY limousine crash.
« Reply #119 on: October 12, 2018, 01:12:06 PM »
You just don't get it. I see all the points you are making about guns. I just disagree with some of them. The bottom line is any talk of guns don't belong in this thread.

Not all gun owners see this issue the same as you. There is no bigger gun owner of this forum than me. So please stop with your BS just because I take the position that part of the problem is to many guns that I am anti this and anti that.

So we should ban anyone over 70 from driving