Author Topic: Shooting In Pittsburgh Shul Targeting Jews, 11 Dead  (Read 8807 times)

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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #105 on: October 29, 2018, 11:49:33 AM »
See this:Well said.
And what's wrong with being homophobic?

Nothing. It means having an extreme aversion to homosexuality. The Torah would consider that praiseworthy. Why should you not have an aversion to an abomination? 
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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #106 on: October 29, 2018, 11:49:42 AM »
Actually, it is worse. The penalty for homosexuality in the Bible is stoning. Stealing is a grave sin, but not a capital crime. I don't know if you are religious or not, but the fact is that Orthodoxy is about following the opinions of the Torah, not tweaking them to fit our own view of life.
My bad on the example then. What is punishment for stealing btw
So then pick any other with same penalty. Like michalel shabbas then? Like if I have a cousin who is michalel shabbas and i go to his bris i deserve to die?
Straw man about following torah and tweaking it. No one is denying that. Only question is if people who attend events with people who have committed a capital crime themselves deserve to die, which is "obvious" to some here.

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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #107 on: October 29, 2018, 11:51:03 AM »
My bad on the example then. What is punishment for stealing btw
So then pick any other with same penalty. Like michalel shabbas then? Like if I have a cousin who is michalel shabbas and i go to his bris i deserve to die?
Straw man about following torah and tweaking it. No one is denying that. Only question is if people who attend events with people who have committed a capital crime themselves deserve to die, which is "obvious" to some here.
You shouldn't be supporting his actions. Side note these people drove to synagogue that shabbos
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Re: Shooting In Pittsburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #108 on: October 29, 2018, 11:51:44 AM »
This thread is pure unadulterated evil. Sickening vomit inducing filth that years of eye bleach wouldn't cure.

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Re: Shooting In Pittsburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #109 on: October 29, 2018, 11:54:51 AM »
This thread is pure unadulterated evil. Sickening vomit inducing filth that years of eye bleach wouldn't cure.
And yet I have no idea your stance. I think there are two sides here that would agree that this applies to the other side lol. Anyway I'm done.

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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #110 on: October 29, 2018, 11:55:00 AM »
Can someone confirm this. Every time I hear about the gay bris it leads back to this site, I haven't seen it anywhere else
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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #111 on: October 29, 2018, 11:57:19 AM »
Actually, it is worse. The penalty for homosexuality in the Bible is stoning. Stealing is a grave sin, but not a capital crime. I don't know if you are religious or not, but the fact is that Orthodoxy is about following the opinions of the Torah, not tweaking them to fit our own view of life.
So you are in favor of killing (stoning to death) all gay people.
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Re: Shooting In Pittsburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #112 on: October 29, 2018, 12:09:15 PM »
And yet I have no idea your stance. I think there are two sides here that would agree that this applies to the other side lol. Anyway I'm done.
I'm on the side not finding justification for murdered Jews.

I too am done. Totally and utterly done.
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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #113 on: October 29, 2018, 12:13:24 PM »
My bad on the example then. What is punishment for stealing btw
So then pick any other with same penalty. Like michalel shabbas then? Like if I have a cousin who is michalel shabbas and i go to his bris i deserve to die?
Straw man about following torah and tweaking it. No one is denying that. Only question is if people who attend events with people who have committed a capital crime themselves deserve to die, which is "obvious" to some here.

I think the point of some comments here is that the Yad Hashem is visible. That's all.

In terms of people deserving to die, I think your question is broader than this one case. What about the Holocaust, the Inquisition? How about someone killed in a car accident? Are you insinuating that Hashem was wrong for what He did? I understand that this is a sensitive topic, but it isn't about just this one case. Maybe we should give Hashem the benefit of the doubt. As terrible as all these stories are, He probably has a good reason for the things He does.
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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #114 on: October 29, 2018, 12:14:03 PM »
So you are in favor of killing (stoning to death) all gay people.

Is the Torah in favor of it?
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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #115 on: October 29, 2018, 12:17:19 PM »
I think the point of some comments here is that the Yad Hashem is visible. That's all.

In terms of people deserving to die, I think your question is broader than this one case. What about the Holocaust, the Inquisition? How about someone killed in a car accident? Are you insinuating that Hashem was wrong for what He did? I understand that this is a sensitive topic, but it isn't about just this one case. Maybe we should give Hashem the benefit of the doubt. As terrible as all these stories are, He probably has a good reason for the things He does.
Some little babies live lives of pure pain that end in death after a few months. And I don't think it was because they were gay. Bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people. We will never understand. Best to stop pretending we do.

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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #116 on: October 29, 2018, 12:32:36 PM »
Is the Torah in favor of it?
Have no idea and donít care. Now can you please answer the question?
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Re: Shooting In Pittsburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #117 on: October 29, 2018, 12:44:11 PM »
Somehow these incidents lead everyone to show off their ignorance.
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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #118 on: October 29, 2018, 12:44:31 PM »
Is the Torah in favor of it?

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Re: Shooting In Pitssburgh Shul (Targeted against Jews), 11 Dead
« Reply #119 on: October 29, 2018, 12:47:12 PM »
Have no idea and donít care. Now can you please answer the question?

To answer your question correctly I need to make use of Jewish sources, primarily the Talmud. But you said you don't care about the opinion of the Torah, so what good will it do?
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