Author Topic: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan (and what happened in Antarctica)  (Read 14578 times)

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Does anyone have experience being on a cruise that Kosherica is on, but booking it on your own and eating the ship's kosher food options?
I wanted to know if Kosherica is okay with joining their minyan or do they have a problem with that.
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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2018, 12:22:09 AM »
Does anyone have experience being on a cruise that Kosherica is on, but booking it on your own and eating the ship's kosher food options?
I wanted to know if Kosherica is okay with joining their minyan or do they have a problem with that.

I thought they very much didn't allow this, unless you are a member of the program.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2018, 12:35:39 AM »
Does anyone have experience being on a cruise that Kosherica is on, but booking it on your own and eating the ship's kosher food options?
I wanted to know if Kosherica is okay with joining their minyan or do they have a problem with that.

Been on Kosherica, they are not very comfortable with people who are not on their program joining  even shul  minyanim, they are aware that people go on the ship on their own, someone from Kosherica may or may not approach you about your KR wrist band.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2018, 04:26:56 PM »
Been on Kosherica, they are not very comfortable with people who are not on their program joining  even shul  minyanim, they are aware that people go on the ship on their own, someone from Kosherica may or may not approach you about your KR wrist band.

do they ever let you join the program on the ship by paying?

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2018, 04:38:10 PM »
Been on Kosherica, they are not very comfortable with people who are not on their program joining  even shul  minyanim, they are aware that people go on the ship on their own, someone from Kosherica may or may not approach you about your KR wrist band.
that seems cruel to not allow Jews to pray in a minyan.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2018, 05:38:47 PM »
that seems cruel to not allow Jews to pray in a minyan.
business is business.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2018, 05:45:10 PM »
business is business.
i get that. But they're not losing anything by letting them pray.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2018, 05:46:37 PM »
that seems cruel to not allow Jews to pray in a minyan.
It seems cruel to expect to use facilities that someone is paying for for free

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2018, 05:49:44 PM »
It seems cruel to expect to use facilities that someone is paying for for free
im not sure exactly how this works. But if they happen to be in the ship anyway I don't see the issue. If people are gaming them then I get it.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2018, 05:56:11 PM »
Of course people were gaming. So they need a policy.
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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2018, 06:01:38 PM »
It seems cruel to expect to use facilities that someone is paying for for free

Should shuls allow non-members to only pray if they pay a membership fee?

Its just joining a minyan on the cruise. They lose nothing.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2018, 06:03:30 PM »
Of course people were gaming. So they need a policy.
then I stand corrected

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2018, 06:06:15 PM »
Should shuls allow non-members to only pray if they pay a membership fee?
This is not a shul. It's a business. One of the services they're selling is a shul for their customers.

Its just joining a minyan on the cruise. They lose nothing.
Obviously they feel that allowing people to just join the minyan costs them customers and/or devalues their product.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2018, 06:07:42 PM »
This is not a shul. It's a business. One of the services they're selling is a shul for their customers.
Obviously they feel that allowing people to just join the minyan costs them customers and/or devalues their product.

I could be mistaken, but I think the people who dont join the program, will not start to join just because of the minyan access.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2018, 07:17:02 PM »
It seems cruel to expect to use facilities that someone is paying for for free
we did a cruise on our own and they gave us a conference room to use (for free) for Shacharis every day.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2018, 07:39:09 PM »
I could be mistaken, but I think the people who dont join the program, will not start to join just because of the minyan access.

I disagree. If, for example, the cruise operator charges 3k, and kosherica charges 6k, there definitely could be people who think the 3k savings is worth the crappier food they'll get if they don't join kosherica, especially if they do get access to minyanim that kosherica also arranges.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2018, 06:33:19 AM »
I disagree. If, for example, the cruise operator charges 3k, and kosherica charges 6k, there definitely could be people who think the 3k savings is worth the crappier food they'll get if they don't join kosherica, especially if they do get access to minyanim that kosherica also arranges.

I actually think its more like less than $1k vs $6k. But eitherway, maybe its just me, but i was raised that if someone walks into your shul on the high holidays and didnt buy a seat, you give him one. I know this isnt a shul, but still, if someone wants the pray, just let the man pray. Dont deny anyone from davening with you.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2018, 06:38:07 AM »
Very nice of you to be mevater on another man's business
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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2018, 10:01:14 AM »
This is the same question as taking anything of intangible value that the owner otherwise charges for. Part of the question would be what is Kosherica's product? Presumably minyan is part of it. Also someone needs to pay for the room.

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Re: Joining Kosherica cruise minyan
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2018, 01:12:22 PM »
I've often wondered this myself. The minayn is part of the service that Kosherica provides.  I don't buy the high holidays service argument because whether someone pays or not for the high holidays is often dictated by ability and/or affiliation with religion.  We should not turn away someone from davening because they can't afford it or even if they can, because they don't feel close enough.  A cruise is a luxury to start with and in essence, we are deciding to not pay the extra money because it is not worth it.

That being said, I would highly doubt that if Kosherica was just about minyan, that anyone would pay any more than a $100 bucks to ensure a room and sefer torah.  I don't see how the minyan portion of Kosherica is anything but a service to make sure that they don't lose customers who insist on minyan.  The extra expense a Kosherica consumer is paying is for the high level Kosher food and entertainment.  Some people want gourmet kosher and jewish entertainment and are willing to pay for it.  If there was a woman's only kosher cruise and no minyan, I doubt the cost would be much lower.  I don't think many (there might be a small percentage) people are going on Kosherica, as opposed to other vacation options, because minyan is expected.  it is more to ensure that people don't nix the idea and I would think that if a somehow a Kosherica group went forward where they only managed 8 men, they would be thrilled to get the help of a few more to complete the minyan.  I would hope that they would welcome people to the minyan