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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2018, 01:19:14 PM »
Can I just say, as a Modern Orthodox Jew I personally get frustrated by being asked to put tefillin on- often while I'm wearing a Kippah?

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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2018, 01:21:20 PM »
Update he is putting on tefillin now,
Wow! Within 12 minutes of asking the question you got it done. Should have asked how to bring moshiach

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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2018, 01:38:24 PM »
Wow! Within 12 minutes of asking the question you got it done. Should have asked how to bring moshiach

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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2018, 01:48:03 PM »


Wow! Within 1:12 minutes of asking the question you got it done. Should have asked how to bring moshiach

FTFY
But still impressive!

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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2018, 01:49:32 PM »
Can I just say, as a Modern Orthodox Jew I personally get frustrated by being asked to put tefillin on- often while I'm wearing a Kippah?

There just trying to do you a favor they dont gain anything now from it just some people who laugh at them. They just want you to have some afterlife.

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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2018, 02:11:39 PM »
There just trying to do you a favor they dont gain anything now from it just some people who laugh at them. They just want you to have some afterlife.
It's still demeaning to the person and makes them feel bad, having good intentions doesn't excuse bad behavior.
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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2018, 02:14:27 PM »
I give benefit of doubt and overall appreciate the outreach work, but I would also prefer not to be asked to put on tefillin while wearing a yarmulka, if possible :)

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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2018, 02:19:44 PM »
Only time I've been asked was when I was wearing black and white. Maybe it was because my tzitzis where tucked in?
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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2018, 02:22:58 PM »
Can I just say, as a Modern Orthodox Jew I personally get frustrated by being asked to put tefillin on- often while I'm wearing a Kippah?
I wonder why that is, I've been offered tefillin as well as daled minim, wasn't offended at all. Maybe I just assumed they weren't the shluchim.
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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2018, 02:24:15 PM »
Can I just say, as a Modern Orthodox Jew I personally get frustrated by being asked to put tefillin on- often while I'm wearing a Kippah?
I give benefit of doubt and overall appreciate the outreach work, but I would also prefer not to be asked to put on tefillin while wearing a yarmulka, if possible :)
Only time I've been asked was when I was wearing black and white. Maybe it was because my tzitzis where tucked in?
Guys, you were being asked to put on Rabeinu Tam...

  • No Yalmuka, ask to put on teffilin.

  • Yalmuka no breard, ask to put on rabeinu tam.

  • Beard plus long payus, ask to learn a chapter tanya.

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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2018, 02:37:13 PM »
Are you sure your yarmulke was visible?
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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2018, 02:58:06 PM »
Guys, you were being asked to put on Rabeinu Tam...

  • No Yalmuka, ask to put on teffilin.

  • Yalmuka no breard, ask to put on rabeinu tam.

  • Beard plus long payus, ask to learn a chapter tanya.

This is the basics of mivtzoim.
Oh, that's how it works? I see. So next time I see some guys hanging around with tefillin I'll ask them if they want to learn a perek of Shulchan Aruch with me.
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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2018, 03:00:09 PM »
What did you say or do?
The doctor told us how moved and heartbroken he is about the Pittsburgh shooting since he knew some of the people part of that temple. He was telling us about the Red Sox how they put a symbol of the star of David  how meaningful this was to him since he's a Red Sox fan. We asked him if he would do something personal as a merit for the victims of the shooting and also as a merit for our father's recovery. He said of course,  And then my father asked him when was the last time he put on Tefillin?  which he answered; the first and last time was at his bar Mitzvah. He is now 74 years old, so do the math . My father asked him would you want to don my tefillin today,  He was quiet for a moment and then said , yes of course ! He asked us to help him out, said Shema, ( shed 2 tears) It was a very moving scene to see an elderly doctor  married to a non Jew put on tefillin for the first time in so many years in our home. We do feel it as a huge Zcus for our  dear father. He even asked us if he can say kaddish :) we then sang together Ani Mammin.

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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2018, 03:02:44 PM »
Amazing !

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Re: How to ask a non-observant Jew to put on tefillin?
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2018, 03:41:29 PM »
The doctor told us how moved and heartbroken he is about the Pittsburgh shooting since he knew some of the people part of that temple. He was telling us about the Red Sox how they put a symbol of the star of David  how meaningful this was to him since he's a Red Sox fan. We asked him if he would do something personal as a merit for the victims of the shooting and also as a merit for our father's recovery. He said of course,  And then my father asked him when was the last time he put on Tefillin?  which he answered; the first and last time was at his bar Mitzvah. He is now 74 years old, so do the math . My father asked him would you want to don my tefillin today,  He was quiet for a moment and then said , yes of course ! He asked us to help him out, said Shema, ( shed 2 tears) It was a very moving scene to see an elderly doctor  married to a non Jew put on tefillin for the first time in so many years in our home. We do feel it as a huge Zcus for our  dear father. He even asked us if he can say kaddish :) we then sang together Ani Mammin.
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