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Zurich
HOTELS
-The Park Hyatt is fantastic and a 10 minute walk to shul.
Tram stop: Stockerstrasse

RESTAURANTS

Meat:

Olive Garden - Located inside he JCC
Tram stop: Bahnhof Enge


Milk/Parve:

Fein und Schein - cafe type of place; ambience lacking, but hey, food is food

Bagels and Co.  (Bederstrasse corner Klopstockstrasse 8002 Zürich) Tram Stop "Waffenplatzstrasse"

Books & Bagels - combination bagel shop and judaica store

Bakery:

ATTRACTIONS
-Walk around the lake area
-Bahnhofstrasse window shopping
-Take a train to Lucerne and buy the golden ticket, included a boat ride on Lake Lucerne, cogwheel train and tram. Then take bus back to Lucerne
-When you arrive in Lucerne you can go to the tourist office to see a live view from Mount Pilatus (Or you can check online). If it's cloudy skip the cogwheel train and just take a nice boatride and explore the town, ancient bridges, and walk on top of the old city fortress walls.




Options in the Alps

Arosa: Metropol Hotel - quaint little old hotel. Not very fancy - it's like honeymooning in your grandmother's house (HT: Mrs. Moishebatchy). The food is very basic, but delicious. Mikva on premises. If skiing is your thing, the have an agreement with one of the ski places (Härtner) not to charge Metropol customers for ski rentals over Shabbos.


Need a meal on shabbes, please PM me (Chuchem). I live 15 minute walk from the hyatt, close to chabad. Zürich has no eiruv!

Major Attractions
“Please edit the wiki to add more attractions”

Central Switzerland
-Lucerne, Pilatus Offers: Cogwheel, Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mini Zip-line and fun area
-Titlis Offers: Gondolas, Snow Tubing, Trutti Bikes, Ice Museum, Row Boating
-Brunni Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Stroll in Lake(!)

Jungfrau Region
-Jungfrau/jungfraujoch Click here for the Kosher hotel in Wengen / 360-degree panorama of Jungfraujoch-Top of Europe
-Grindelwald Offers: Gondolas, mega Zip-line, Trutti Bikes

Eastern Switzerland
-St. Moritz
Davos / Klosters
Arosa Click here for the Kosher Levins hotel

Southern Switzerland
-Zermatt - "Matterhorn"
-Saas-Fee Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mega Zip-line, Trotti Bikes, (Saas-Grund has Monster Trotteres) and on top of "Allalin" you can go Snow Tubing and Skiing even in the summer!
-Crans Montana You can email the Kosher hotel in Crans Montana Hotelmk@gmail.com  or call them at 0032485640498 or 003233011600


HalbTax Pass

A HalbTax pass (or Half Fare card) is a card designated for tourists and not for Swiss residents (officially...). The card gives you half price on all public transportation like buses, trains, trams, boats and also on "most" cable cars (attractions). There are basically 4 kinds.

1) An annual pass, the price is currently 175 francs. If i remember correctly it has a photo ID of the recipient, so double check before sharing it.
Click here for the annual pass

2) A 30 day pass, the price is currently 120 francs, it does not have a photo ID on it.
Click here or here for the 30 day pass

3) - Recommended for frequent traveling Swiss Travel Pass - you prepay a set amount per day and get unlimited for that day (plus "optional" for a fee, for 1 month including the days you chose, it is a HalbTax, even on the prepaid free days, it's only free for all transportation, on cable cars you only get half off). The price per day depends on how many days you prepay, for example if you prepay 8 days, the price per day will be about 53 francs, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 73 francs. If you are 25 y/o or younger, you can get the Youth Pass which is cheaper - If you prepay 8 days  the price per day will be about 40 francs a day, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 62 francs.
Click here (or here) for the prepaid pass

The card comes with a few days “you could chose your dates later”, officially when you want to use a certain day for the free day you should fill in on the pass that date, and when the first conductor comes he punches that day, but technically you can leave the date blank until the conductor comes, that way you have a chance if no conductor asks you for your card (happens quite often) you can save it for the next day :)

4) Swiss Transfer Ticket" This card costs 141 francs and is valid for 2 trips from and to the boarder or airport, for example you are traveling from the airport to Arosa and are not planning to go anywhere else or take any other transportation, with this card you will effectively pay 71 francs per way. This card is only valid for trips to and from the airport or boarder and no (long) stops allowed. Technically if you will travel one more day, the Swiss travel pass mentioned above will probably be cheaper.

Make sure to order your pass a few weeks before leaving, it takes about 1-3 weeks for the pass to arrive. But you can always buy it in the Airport, though you might have to wait in line and also if you want to buy the Youth pass (for 25 y/o or younger) they might ask you for proof...

There is also a family pass if you travel with a large family, I am not familiar with that.


Fast Baggage
There is a service via SBB, They deliver your luggage for you!! For example you are traveling from ZRH to Arosa, you don't want to be busy Shlepping around your luggage, You can check in your luggage in the airport and they (SBB) will deliver it to the train station in Arosa. This service is available "from and to" most train stations in Switzerland. You can ask about the Fast Baggage by any train station or read here or here

You can even buy a tag that you put on the luggage before checking in your luggage in any airport (i.e. JFK) and Rail Europe will take your luggage from the airplane in Switzerland and deliver it either to your hotel or to the train station in the city you're going to.  Read about Flight Luggage Here




PS. When doing research and getting to a website in German, just add /en (after .ch) to translate to English.
And Hey, Don't forget to write a TR ;)

Sample Itinerary for 9 hour stopover on Swiss flight from TLV to U.S. that lands at 810 and takes off around 5
Copied from @cholent:
Here it is: landed in zrh, crazy line for entering country but moved pretty quickly, about half an hour. Picked up sim in the airport. Rented car through Priceline from europecar. Drove to Titlis, stunning scenery along drive. Missed a turnoff because I couldn't get Waze to talk and I was trying to do some stuff online while we were driving, added half an hour to get there, but the stunning scenery made it worthwhile. Got there, parked, you pay at the entrance if you're going to park for more than an hour. Paid, took the cable car. Got off at there halfway station by mistake, gorgeous lake. Went back on and back up to the top. It was somewhat cloudy which was a pity. Suspension bridge was fun but no view because of the clouds. Took the ice flyer to the other peak, then went sledding down the hill, lots of fun. No tubing because there wasn't enough snow. We didn't have enough time for the ice cave because of the extra time driving there and we weren't sure where it was anyway. Made some new Israeli friends and took the cable car down with them. Got back to the airport, returning the car took less than five minutes, getting through the airport took a little longer so we didn't have time for showers at the lounge. It was amazing all around, I would definitely recommend

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1440 on: February 06, 2017, 07:46:29 AM »
Is it worth getting the unlimited pass? I'm not a pro at skiing but looks like I'm missing out on some other stuff

Chaim, look at the links on my previous post? What's the price difference between the different passes? What are
the extra perks of the unlimited pass? Look at the description Benefits of using Mont Blanc Unlimited Pass, etc. and
decide for yourself.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1441 on: February 14, 2017, 01:21:33 PM »
Anyone have any experience with a 3-4 trip to Switzerland and then going to Israel?
I would like to leave from NYC and debating if i should book one way or roundtrip award tickets?
also any time of year less expensive.
thank you!

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1442 on: February 14, 2017, 05:17:14 PM »
Does anyone have any recommendations where to stay and what to do.

I am landing in ZRH this coming Monday morning and leaving late Wednesday evening.  Just my wife and myself.

Thanks

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1443 on: February 27, 2017, 02:03:11 AM »
any recomondations for a hotel in the alps that can be booked with points?
Is there skiing during the end of april?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1444 on: February 27, 2017, 01:27:24 PM »
any recomondations for a hotel in the alps that can be booked with points?
Is there skiing during the end of april?

Research the following links:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/snowandski/8375663/Ten-ski-resorts-with-good-April-snow.html
http://www.onthesnow.com/news/a/106337/eight-of-the-best-resorts-for-skiing-in-april

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1445 on: February 27, 2017, 02:37:44 PM »

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1446 on: February 27, 2017, 03:51:39 PM »
Thanks!
Have you ever been to or heard of the W verbier?

Yes, Verbier is very well known. They haven't had snowfall there for almost 3 weeks, and for late April,
I would highly suggest you wait till last minute till you book your hotel accommodations.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1447 on: February 28, 2017, 01:28:19 PM »
Yes, Verbier is very well known. They haven't had snowfall there for almost 3 weeks, and for late April,
I would highly suggest you wait till last minute till you book your hotel accommodations.

i just checked online and they received 11cm of snow over the last 24-72 hours plus more coming now,
are there any other activities snow or otherwise up there?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1448 on: March 01, 2017, 03:59:57 PM »
i just checked online and they received 11cm of snow over the last 24-72 hours plus more coming now,
are there any other activities snow or otherwise up there?

Even if there is no snowfall, the resorts are able to generate powdered snow. The issue is that in April,
the conditions usually deteriorate, as it's too warm, and the snow turns to slush. I am just recommending
to wait till right before your arrival date, so you can research the conditions, so you choose the right place,
and have an enjoyable holiday. Also, maybe it's worth considering Val d'Isère, and Chamonix in France, as they are
much higher altitude, so better chances of having good snow.


https://www.skiplan.com/bulletin/bulletin.php?station=chamonix&region=alpes&pays=france&lang=en

https://www.skiplan.com/bulletin/bulletin.php?station=val-d-isere&region=alpes&pays=france&lang=en

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1449 on: March 01, 2017, 04:06:50 PM »
Even if there is no snowfall, the resorts are able to generate powdered snow. The issue is that in April,
the conditions usually deteriorate, as it's too warm, and the snow turns to slush. I am just recommending
to wait till right before your arrival date, so you can research the conditions, so you choose the right place,
and have an enjoyable holiday. Also, maybe it's worth considering Val d'Isère, and Chamonix in France, as they are
much higher altitude, so better chances of having good snow.


https://www.skiplan.com/bulletin/bulletin.php?station=chamonix&region=alpes&pays=france&lang=en

https://www.skiplan.com/bulletin/bulletin.php?station=val-d-isere&region=alpes&pays=france&lang=en

Ah definitely makes sense.
I'm kinda tied to Switzerland, or somewhere within 3 hours . I would really like to use points for the hotel and seems for now that all the other ones in Switzerland are full with no availability. Any other ideas?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1450 on: March 01, 2017, 06:57:11 PM »
Ah definitely makes sense.
I'm kinda tied to Switzerland, or somewhere within 3 hours . I would really like to use points for the hotel and seems for now that all the other ones in Switzerland are full with no availability. Any other ideas?

Any particular reason you are tied to Switzerland? From Geneva airport, the ski resorts in France are much closer, and transportation, accommodations, and ski lift passes will cost a fraction of the price. Also, each resort in Switzerland has many dozens of self-catering chalets,
it would be significantly cheaper than staying in a hotel.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1451 on: March 01, 2017, 07:06:52 PM »
Ah definitely makes sense.
I'm kinda tied to Switzerland, or somewhere within 3 hours . I would really like to use points for the hotel and seems for now that all the other ones in Switzerland are full with no availability. Any other ideas?

Then again, the reason availability is scarce is that Switzerland has school holidays
http://www.edk.ch/dyn/15213.php . School children have around 13 weeks of holiday per school year. The dates are set by the cantons and communes. They vary from region to region, but for the most part this year Frühling/Spring break is 8th till the 23rd of April or 15th to the 30th of April.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1452 on: March 02, 2017, 01:39:03 AM »
Any particular reason you are tied to Switzerland? From Geneva airport, the ski resorts in France are much closer, and transportation, accommodations, and ski lift passes will cost a fraction of the price. Also, each resort in Switzerland has many dozens of self-catering chalets,
it would be significantly cheaper than staying in a hotel.

I'm planning in staying in Zurich for shabbos by relatives. And probably will fly from zrh to tlv. As of now I have spg points (or hilton) and would rather not lay out of pocket if possible. Also I know we're going to ski resorts but my wide doesn't ski so I'd like to have a full variety of activities snow related and other wise.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1453 on: March 02, 2017, 08:13:34 AM »
Hey all!

Gonna be stopping in ZRH for 14 hours en route TLV->SIN in a few weeks, and I'm trying to put together an itinerary for the layover. We're landing 8:40A, departing 10:45P, both in J on LX.

Just read through all 97 (!) pages of this thread, using that as a base point for my research...

Putting all that together, my thought is to land, rent a car, drive to Lucerne, take a boat ride on Lake Lucerne, drive to Engelsberg, cable car and rotair up to the Titlis summit, do the Cliff Walk, Glacier Cave and Ice Flyer, take Rotair down to Trustee, snow tubing at the park, cable car back down to Engelsberg, drive back to ZRH, dinner at Olive Garden, back to the airport and hopefully a shower and some tasting at the whiskey bar in the LX Senator lounge before the flight.

My questions are these:
- Is this schedule ambitious or impossible? Are we packing too much in? (We're two adults in our late 20's)
- Would we be better off skipping Titlis and doing Pilatus instead? I see the cog railway is closed this time of year, and it seems like these more to do on Titlis as well, so that seemed like a more worthwhile destination. How do the views compare between those two in the winter?
- Alternatively, if we are doing Titlis, does it make sense to skip Lucerne and Lake Lucerne and just go straight to/from Engelsberg? How badly should we want to Lake Lucerne?
- I know that Lake Lucerne can be down as part of the Gold/Silver Roundtrip, is there a recommended way to just do a scenic boat ride that returns to the drop off point?
- Based on how much we're packing in, a car seems like a good idea. Am I crazy? Cost wise it seems like it'll price out similarly for the two of us (found a car for about 75CHF). Is any of it difficult driving? Any ideas of what the tolls would be for this?
- The r/t tickets for Titlis are 92 CHF. There is a 50% discount for holders of a General Pass or Halb Tax. Is there any way for me to get ahold of one for one day? I only see a minimum of 3 days online, and the cost negates the discount. Is it possible to have someone with a pass purchase tickets for me? Or is there another discount option?

I hope the long post doesn't scare anyone off. I tried to avoid questions which were already answered.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1454 on: March 02, 2017, 08:30:22 AM »
I'm planning in staying in Zurich for shabbos by relatives. And probably will fly from zrh to tlv. As of now I have spg points (or hilton) and would rather not lay out of pocket if possible. Also I know we're going to ski resorts but my wide doesn't ski so I'd like to have a full variety of activities snow related and other wise.

If your wife doesn't ski, she would be dead bored. I would suggest Zermatt or maybe St. Moritz there, as there one could find activities for non-skiers.