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Zurich
HOTELS
-The Park Hyatt is fantastic and a 10 minute walk to shul.
Tram stop: Stockerstrasse

RESTAURANTS

Meat:

Olive Garden - Located inside he JCC
Tram stop: Bahnhof Enge


Milk/Parve:

Fein und Schein - cafe type of place; ambience lacking, but hey, food is food

Bagels and Co.  (Bederstrasse corner Klopstockstrasse 8002 Zürich) Tram Stop "Waffenplatzstrasse"

Books & Bagels - combination bagel shop and judaica store

Bakery:

ATTRACTIONS
-Walk around the lake area
-Bahnhofstrasse window shopping
-Take a train to Lucerne and buy the golden ticket, included a boat ride on Lake Lucerne, cogwheel train and tram. Then take bus back to Lucerne
-When you arrive in Lucerne you can go to the tourist office to see a live view from Mount Pilatus (Or you can check online). If it's cloudy skip the cogwheel train and just take a nice boatride and explore the town, ancient bridges, and walk on top of the old city fortress walls.




Options in the Alps

Arosa: Metropol Hotel - quaint little old hotel. Not very fancy - it's like honeymooning in your grandmother's house (HT: Mrs. Moishebatchy). The food is very basic, but delicious. Mikva on premises. If skiing is your thing, the have an agreement with one of the ski places (Härtner) not to charge Metropol customers for ski rentals over Shabbos.


Need a meal on shabbes, please PM me (Chuchem). I live 15 minute walk from the hyatt, close to chabad. Zürich has no eiruv!

Major Attractions
“Please edit the wiki to add more attractions”

Central Switzerland
-Lucerne, Pilatus Offers: Cogwheel, Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mini Zip-line and fun area
-Titlis Offers: Gondolas, Snow Tubing, Trutti Bikes, Ice Museum, Row Boating
-Brunni Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Stroll in Lake(!)

Jungfrau Region
-Jungfrau/jungfraujoch Click here for the Kosher hotel in Wengen / 360-degree panorama of Jungfraujoch-Top of Europe
-Grindelwald Offers: Gondolas, mega Zip-line, Trutti Bikes

Eastern Switzerland
-St. Moritz
Davos / Klosters
Arosa Click here for the Kosher Levins hotel

Southern Switzerland
-Zermatt - "Matterhorn"
-Saas-Fee Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mega Zip-line, Trotti Bikes, (Saas-Grund has Monster Trotteres) and on top of "Allalin" you can go Snow Tubing and Skiing even in the summer!
-Crans Montana You can email the Kosher hotel in Crans Montana Hotelmk@gmail.com  or call them at 0032485640498 or 003233011600


HalbTax Pass

A HalbTax pass (or Half Fare card) is a card designated for tourists and not for Swiss residents (officially...). The card gives you half price on all public transportation like buses, trains, trams, boats and also on "most" cable cars (attractions). There are basically 4 kinds.

1) An annual pass, the price is currently 175 francs. If i remember correctly it has a photo ID of the recipient, so double check before sharing it.
Click here for the annual pass

2) A 30 day pass, the price is currently 120 francs, it does not have a photo ID on it.
Click here or here for the 30 day pass

3) - Recommended for frequent traveling Swiss Travel Pass - you prepay a set amount per day and get unlimited for that day (plus "optional" for a fee, for 1 month including the days you chose, it is a HalbTax, even on the prepaid free days, it's only free for all transportation, on cable cars you only get half off). The price per day depends on how many days you prepay, for example if you prepay 8 days, the price per day will be about 53 francs, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 73 francs. If you are 25 y/o or younger, you can get the Youth Pass which is cheaper - If you prepay 8 days  the price per day will be about 40 francs a day, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 62 francs.
Click here (or here) for the prepaid pass

The card comes with a few days “you could chose your dates later”, officially when you want to use a certain day for the free day you should fill in on the pass that date, and when the first conductor comes he punches that day, but technically you can leave the date blank until the conductor comes, that way you have a chance if no conductor asks you for your card (happens quite often) you can save it for the next day :)

4) Swiss Transfer Ticket" This card costs 141 francs and is valid for 2 trips from and to the boarder or airport, for example you are traveling from the airport to Arosa and are not planning to go anywhere else or take any other transportation, with this card you will effectively pay 71 francs per way. This card is only valid for trips to and from the airport or boarder and no (long) stops allowed. Technically if you will travel one more day, the Swiss travel pass mentioned above will probably be cheaper.

Make sure to order your pass a few weeks before leaving, it takes about 1-3 weeks for the pass to arrive. But you can always buy it in the Airport, though you might have to wait in line and also if you want to buy the Youth pass (for 25 y/o or younger) they might ask you for proof...

There is also a family pass if you travel with a large family, I am not familiar with that.


Fast Baggage
There is a service via SBB, They deliver your luggage for you!! For example you are traveling from ZRH to Arosa, you don't want to be busy Shlepping around your luggage, You can check in your luggage in the airport and they (SBB) will deliver it to the train station in Arosa. This service is available "from and to" most train stations in Switzerland. You can ask about the Fast Baggage by any train station or read here or here

You can even buy a tag that you put on the luggage before checking in your luggage in any airport (i.e. JFK) and Rail Europe will take your luggage from the airplane in Switzerland and deliver it either to your hotel or to the train station in the city you're going to.  Read about Flight Luggage Here




PS. When doing research and getting to a website in German, just add /en (after .ch) to translate to English.
And Hey, Don't forget to write a TR ;)

Sample Itinerary for 9 hour stopover on Swiss flight from TLV to U.S. that lands at 810 and takes off around 5
Copied from @cholent:
Here it is: landed in zrh, crazy line for entering country but moved pretty quickly, about half an hour. Picked up sim in the airport. Rented car through Priceline from europecar. Drove to Titlis, stunning scenery along drive. Missed a turnoff because I couldn't get Waze to talk and I was trying to do some stuff online while we were driving, added half an hour to get there, but the stunning scenery made it worthwhile. Got there, parked, you pay at the entrance if you're going to park for more than an hour. Paid, took the cable car. Got off at there halfway station by mistake, gorgeous lake. Went back on and back up to the top. It was somewhat cloudy which was a pity. Suspension bridge was fun but no view because of the clouds. Took the ice flyer to the other peak, then went sledding down the hill, lots of fun. No tubing because there wasn't enough snow. We didn't have enough time for the ice cave because of the extra time driving there and we weren't sure where it was anyway. Made some new Israeli friends and took the cable car down with them. Got back to the airport, returning the car took less than five minutes, getting through the airport took a little longer so we didn't have time for showers at the lounge. It was amazing all around, I would definitely recommend

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1455 on: March 02, 2017, 08:53:36 AM »
Your schedule is ambitious and doable. I would prefer Titlis, much much more to do and see there, and it's over 1,100 meters higher than Pilatus. Lucerne is on the way, and it's definitely worth stopping there and at least taking a stroll around the lake. Just I would skip Pilatus.
Just walking around the lake is extremely scenic. As far as the boat rides, look at http://www.lakelucerne.ch/en/timetable-fares/timetable/

Any car rented in Switzerland has a vignette, so tolls are not an issue. http://www.myswissalps.com/motorwayvignette
Driving is easy, and not difficult. Just pay extreme attention to the speed limits, as there are speed cameras everywhere, and fines can
be extremely expensive. And running a yellow/amber light is also penalized. Unfortunately, Halb Tax (CHF 185 for a year) doesn't make sense to purchase, unless you will be staying for longer. Not aware of any other discounts for foreigners. If your purchase a ticket with a halbtax
discount, then the ticket inspectors will ask to see your halbtax card, that would have your photo on it.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1456 on: March 02, 2017, 11:12:27 AM »
If your wife doesn't ski, she would be dead bored. I would suggest Zermatt or maybe St. Moritz there, as there one could find activities for non-skiers.

I emailed the W and this is what they responded to with activities:
-   Snowshoeing and ski touring
-   Paragliding from les Ruinettes with landing at Le Chable
-   Skydiving from a helicopter over Verbier, departure from le Chable
-   Sledging on the 10km pist of Savoleyres/La Tzoumaz, no booking needed-subjected to snow condition
-   Ice skating at the Sport center
-   Verbier Cheese factory visit
-   Vineyard visit (in the valley, not n Verbier)
-   Caviar farm visit (in the valley)
 
What would zermatt or St moritz offer more or different?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1457 on: March 02, 2017, 01:42:07 PM »
Do realize that some of those activities are expensive. E.g. paragliding would cost 160chf. 25 minute
helicopter ride will set you back 900chf. Skydiving costs 850chf.

Zermatt is more lively tourist village. Verbier is laid back, spread out, and quiet. Zermatt
is 3 hours by train from Zürich, Verbier would be an hour longer travel time.

As far as Zermatt, check out these links:

https://www.wanderlustchloe.com/zermatt-switzerland-things-to-do/
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g188045-i336-k10205564-Zermatt_in_winter_active_non_skiers-Switzerland.html
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g188098-Activities-Zermatt_Canton_of_Valais_Swiss_Alps.html


I emailed the W and this is what they responded to with activities:
-   Snowshoeing and ski touring
-   Paragliding from les Ruinettes with landing at Le Chable
-   Skydiving from a helicopter over Verbier, departure from le Chable
-   Sledging on the 10km pist of Savoleyres/La Tzoumaz, no booking needed-subjected to snow condition
-   Ice skating at the Sport center
-   Verbier Cheese factory visit
-   Vineyard visit (in the valley, not n Verbier)
-   Caviar farm visit (in the valley)
 
What would zermatt or St moritz offer more or different?
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1458 on: March 02, 2017, 01:44:21 PM »
Do realize that some of those activities are expensive. E.g. paragliding would cost 160chf. 25 minute
helicopter ride will set you back 900chf. Skydiving costs 850chf.

Zermatt is more lively tourist village. Verbier is laid back, spread out, and quiet. Zermatt
is 3 hours by train from Zürich, Verbier would be an hour longer travel time.

As far as Zermatt, check out these links:

https://www.wanderlustchloe.com/zermatt-switzerland-things-to-do/
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g188045-i336-k10205564-Zermatt_in_winter_active_non_skiers-Switzerland.html
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g188098-Activities-Zermatt_Canton_of_Valais_Swiss_Alps.html

Right for sure I wasn't on planning on doing helicopter rides or skydiving.

Thanks for your help and the links!

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1459 on: March 02, 2017, 01:59:01 PM »
Right for sure I wasn't on planning on doing helicopter rides or skydiving.

Thanks for your help and the links!

And how much interest is the cheese factory, vineyard, and caviar farm, when you can't even sample their products,
as it's cholov akum, Yayin Nesech, and caviar from sturgeon?


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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1460 on: March 02, 2017, 02:00:02 PM »
And how much interest is the cheese factory, vineyard, and caviar farm, when you can't even sample their products,
as it's cholov akum, Yayin Nesech, and caviar from sturgeon?

Agreed agreed and agreed although I would still consider a cheese factory as I don't know of any jewish ones locally.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1461 on: March 02, 2017, 10:29:18 PM »
Does anyone have an information or experience for staying in Geneva over Shabbos?
- Place to buy Shabbos food when I land on Friday
- Shabbos compatibility for the President Wilson hotel or Hotel de la Paix
- Walkable shul to either of those hotels

Thanks!


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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1462 on: March 03, 2017, 02:53:51 AM »
Does anyone have an information or experience for staying in Geneva over Shabbos?
- Place to buy Shabbos food when I land on Friday
- Shabbos compatibility for the President Wilson hotel or Hotel de la Paix
- Walkable shul to either of those hotels

Thanks!

See: http://www.jewishgeneva.com/   Although the residents probably do their
shopping over the border in Gaillard, France as it would be a few times cheaper.

President Wilson would be a great place, but it would be 2km walk to the shuls.
Hotel de la Paix would be much closer - but for me shabbos compatibility would
be issues with the electric card key, access to the stairs, motion sensors, etc.


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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1463 on: March 03, 2017, 07:26:12 AM »
Does anyone have an information or experience for staying in Geneva over Shabbos?
- Place to buy Shabbos food when I land on Friday
- Shabbos compatibility for the President Wilson hotel or Hotel de la Paix
- Walkable shul to either of those hotels

Thanks!


chabad will set you up with families for the meals if that interests you or you can order from
Private Catering:
Mrs. Gisèle Levy
+41 79 265 44 79
President Wilson is about 40 min enjoyable walk on the lake from the shuls. La paix maybe 30 min.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1464 on: March 03, 2017, 08:16:45 AM »
chabad will set you up with families for the meals if that interests you or you can order from
Private Catering:
Mrs. Gisèle Levy
+41 79 265 44 79
President Wilson is about 40 min enjoyable walk on the lake from the shuls. La paix maybe 30 min.

I would say 25 minutes walk from President Wilson, and 12 minutes from La paix to the Machzikei Hadas shul.

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« Reply #1465 on: March 03, 2017, 11:04:09 AM »
See: http://www.jewishgeneva.com/   Although the residents probably do their
shopping over the border in Gaillard, France as it would be a few times cheaper.

President Wilson would be a great place, but it would be 2km walk to the shuls.
Hotel de la Paix would be much closer - but for me shabbos compatibility would
be issues with the electric card key, access to the stairs, motion sensors, etc.

Thanks!
I had looked at that website but couldnt figure out which store would be most appropriate for Shabbos type of food.
I'm looking in to Hotel de la Paix - they told me they have stairs that access the rooms. Do you know for sure that there are motion sensors or other Shabbos related issues?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1466 on: March 04, 2017, 01:42:42 PM »
I don't believe there are motion sensor issues at hotel de la paix

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1467 on: March 05, 2017, 01:00:47 AM »
I don't believe there are motion sensor issues at hotel de la paix
thanks

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« Reply #1468 on: March 05, 2017, 08:20:04 AM »
Thanks!
I had looked at that website but couldnt figure out which store would be most appropriate for Shabbos type of food.
I'm looking in to Hotel de la Paix - they told me they have stairs that access the rooms. Do you know for sure that there are motion sensors or other Shabbos related issues?

I never stayed there, so I wouldn't know. I was just saying in general to research all the issues and not just distance from the shuls.
Relating another story, a few years ago, I was in a hotel in Calgary, and they confirmed with me that I would be able to use the stairs.
Coming back to the hotel after my 5-km walk on Friday night, the door to the stairs was locked.  I had to argue with the hotel staff for a long time, as they insisted that somebody will escort me on the lift. Finally, after half an hour, they let a staff member escort me up the stairs.
And then having to use electric tape on the door, so I can enter without a card, with all the trouble, I prefer the Airbnb route.

As far as food, there is a community restaurant Le Jardin, that can provide you with meals that can be delivered to your hotel.
The supermarkets are in Gailard, France:  e.g. Espace Casher. To get there, take Tram #12 to the last stop, Moillesulaz Thônex, cross the border and it's a few minute walk from there.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1469 on: March 14, 2017, 12:25:52 PM »
After reading through the forums one thing is  not particularly clear. If i purchase a Swiss Travel Pass which includes unlimited travel , does that include a cable car ride up mt. pilatus for example? Or ill have to purchase another ticket on top of the Swiss Travel Passn in order to go up. As well  does it include the boat ride? Also i was wondering if this is a good itinerary -

Land in zrh 11:05 sunday morning , take the train to hotel, check in then head to lucerne and take the boat ride and walk around and maybe go up piltus if its nice weather, head back to zurich , for the night. Monday take train to Wengen and go on the gondola then go back to zurich for supper at shein un fein and go to sleep and leave early tuesday morning.

Does this sound ok or i'm doing something wrong or missing something.

Thanks!