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Zurich
HOTELS
-The Park Hyatt is fantastic and a 10 minute walk to shul.
Tram stop: Stockerstrasse

RESTAURANTS

Meat:

Olive Garden - Located inside he JCC
Tram stop: Bahnhof Enge


Milk/Parve:

Fein und Schein - cafe type of place; ambience lacking, but hey, food is food

Bagels and Co.  (Bederstrasse corner Klopstockstrasse 8002 Zürich) Tram Stop "Waffenplatzstrasse"

Books & Bagels - combination bagel shop and judaica store

Bakery:

ATTRACTIONS
-Walk around the lake area
-Bahnhofstrasse window shopping
-Take a train to Lucerne and buy the golden ticket, included a boat ride on Lake Lucerne, cogwheel train and tram. Then take bus back to Lucerne
-When you arrive in Lucerne you can go to the tourist office to see a live view from Mount Pilatus (Or you can check online). If it's cloudy skip the cogwheel train and just take a nice boatride and explore the town, ancient bridges, and walk on top of the old city fortress walls.




Options in the Alps

Arosa: Metropol Hotel - quaint little old hotel. Not very fancy - it's like honeymooning in your grandmother's house (HT: Mrs. Moishebatchy). The food is very basic, but delicious. Mikva on premises. If skiing is your thing, the have an agreement with one of the ski places (Härtner) not to charge Metropol customers for ski rentals over Shabbos.


Need a meal on shabbes, please PM me (Chuchem). I live 15 minute walk from the hyatt, close to chabad. Zürich has no eiruv!

Major Attractions
“Please edit the wiki to add more attractions”

Central Switzerland
-Lucerne, Pilatus Offers: Cogwheel, Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mini Zip-line and fun area
-Titlis Offers: Gondolas, Snow Tubing, Trutti Bikes, Ice Museum, Row Boating
-Brunni Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Stroll in Lake(!)

Jungfrau Region
-Jungfrau/jungfraujoch Click here for the Kosher hotel in Wengen / 360-degree panorama of Jungfraujoch-Top of Europe
-Grindelwald Offers: Gondolas, mega Zip-line, Trutti Bikes

Eastern Switzerland
-St. Moritz
Davos / Klosters
Arosa Click here for the Kosher Levins hotel

Southern Switzerland
-Zermatt - "Matterhorn"
-Saas-Fee Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mega Zip-line, Trotti Bikes, (Saas-Grund has Monster Trotteres) and on top of "Allalin" you can go Snow Tubing and Skiing even in the summer!
-Crans Montana You can email the Kosher hotel in Crans Montana Hotelmk@gmail.com  or call them at 0032485640498 or 003233011600


HalbTax Pass

A HalbTax pass (or Half Fare card) is a card designated for tourists and not for Swiss residents (officially...). The card gives you half price on all public transportation like buses, trains, trams, boats and also on "most" cable cars (attractions). There are basically 4 kinds.

1) An annual pass, the price is currently 175 francs. If i remember correctly it has a photo ID of the recipient, so double check before sharing it.
Click here for the annual pass

2) A 30 day pass, the price is currently 120 francs, it does not have a photo ID on it.
Click here or here for the 30 day pass

3) - Recommended for frequent traveling Swiss Travel Pass - you prepay a set amount per day and get unlimited for that day (plus "optional" for a fee, for 1 month including the days you chose, it is a HalbTax, even on the prepaid free days, it's only free for all transportation, on cable cars you only get half off). The price per day depends on how many days you prepay, for example if you prepay 8 days, the price per day will be about 53 francs, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 73 francs. If you are 25 y/o or younger, you can get the Youth Pass which is cheaper - If you prepay 8 days  the price per day will be about 40 francs a day, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 62 francs.
Click here (or here) for the prepaid pass

The card comes with a few days “you could chose your dates later”, officially when you want to use a certain day for the free day you should fill in on the pass that date, and when the first conductor comes he punches that day, but technically you can leave the date blank until the conductor comes, that way you have a chance if no conductor asks you for your card (happens quite often) you can save it for the next day :)

4) Swiss Transfer Ticket" This card costs 141 francs and is valid for 2 trips from and to the boarder or airport, for example you are traveling from the airport to Arosa and are not planning to go anywhere else or take any other transportation, with this card you will effectively pay 71 francs per way. This card is only valid for trips to and from the airport or boarder and no (long) stops allowed. Technically if you will travel one more day, the Swiss travel pass mentioned above will probably be cheaper.

Make sure to order your pass a few weeks before leaving, it takes about 1-3 weeks for the pass to arrive. But you can always buy it in the Airport, though you might have to wait in line and also if you want to buy the Youth pass (for 25 y/o or younger) they might ask you for proof...

There is also a family pass if you travel with a large family, I am not familiar with that.


Fast Baggage
There is a service via SBB, They deliver your luggage for you!! For example you are traveling from ZRH to Arosa, you don't want to be busy Shlepping around your luggage, You can check in your luggage in the airport and they (SBB) will deliver it to the train station in Arosa. This service is available "from and to" most train stations in Switzerland. You can ask about the Fast Baggage by any train station or read here or here

You can even buy a tag that you put on the luggage before checking in your luggage in any airport (i.e. JFK) and Rail Europe will take your luggage from the airplane in Switzerland and deliver it either to your hotel or to the train station in the city you're going to.  Read about Flight Luggage Here




PS. When doing research and getting to a website in German, just add /en (after .ch) to translate to English.
And Hey, Don't forget to write a TR ;)

Sample Itinerary for 9 hour stopover on Swiss flight from TLV to U.S. that lands at 810 and takes off around 5
Copied from @cholent:
Here it is: landed in zrh, crazy line for entering country but moved pretty quickly, about half an hour. Picked up sim in the airport. Rented car through Priceline from europecar. Drove to Titlis, stunning scenery along drive. Missed a turnoff because I couldn't get Waze to talk and I was trying to do some stuff online while we were driving, added half an hour to get there, but the stunning scenery made it worthwhile. Got there, parked, you pay at the entrance if you're going to park for more than an hour. Paid, took the cable car. Got off at there halfway station by mistake, gorgeous lake. Went back on and back up to the top. It was somewhat cloudy which was a pity. Suspension bridge was fun but no view because of the clouds. Took the ice flyer to the other peak, then went sledding down the hill, lots of fun. No tubing because there wasn't enough snow. We didn't have enough time for the ice cave because of the extra time driving there and we weren't sure where it was anyway. Made some new Israeli friends and took the cable car down with them. Got back to the airport, returning the car took less than five minutes, getting through the airport took a little longer so we didn't have time for showers at the lounge. It was amazing all around, I would definitely recommend

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1755 on: August 15, 2017, 07:33:49 AM »
Thanks! Landing at 8:30 this Thursday and would love to catch a minyan. What's your go to restaurant for breakfast/ lunch?

If you are davening at Erika, there is a kosher supermarket right opposite. https://koschercity.ch/

Otherwise walking distance is the Ma'adan Bakery http://www.maadan.ch and Fein & Schein restaurant http://www.feinundschein.ch (note: not open all day). There are other options, just this closeby to the Erika shul.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1756 on: August 15, 2017, 07:49:32 AM »
If you are davening at Erika, there is a kosher supermarket right opposite. https://koschercity.ch/

Otherwise walking distance is the Ma'adan Bakery http://www.maadan.ch and Fein & Schein restaurant http://www.feinundschein.ch (note: not open all day). There are other options, just this closeby to the Erika shul.
Thank you so much. Much appreciated!

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1757 on: August 15, 2017, 08:18:28 AM »
To be clear, the 9 am Shacharis I saw was on a Sunday

On Sunday, there should be minyanim until very late, as nobody works. Again the shul only advertises their official minyanim. During the week, there is always a minyan after the 8:30 finishes, and there may be minyanim at even 10:15 and afterward, it could be a minyan
factory. It depends on if it's ben hazmanim, and the number of latecomers. In Europe, people start work at 8 am, so majority daven in the early minyanim and note sunrise in October gets to 8:03, and then daylight savings time, and December-January time is around 8:13. Most people have to daven Terach's minyan.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1758 on: August 15, 2017, 08:33:45 AM »
Any locals wanna update the rstaraunt list in the wiki?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1759 on: August 15, 2017, 09:28:30 AM »
Does heaven look like this?
You're there now? Send pics or TR, please.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1760 on: August 15, 2017, 10:45:20 AM »
Are there any kosher Swiss chocolate factories that have a tour that's worth going to? Any info in general about the "best" Swiss chocolate to try?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1761 on: August 15, 2017, 01:13:36 PM »
I have taken the train and would highly recommend this, it is a pretty nice ride, plane will take you a bit less then 6 hours considering to / from the airport.
I know this is about 3 months ago - but do you remember if you took the "Panoramic" train (I believe it's called the Bernina) or if the regular train had the great views as well?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1762 on: August 15, 2017, 04:11:27 PM »
Are there any kosher Swiss chocolate factories that have a tour that's worth going to? Any info in general about the "best" Swiss chocolate to try?

There aren't any kosher Swiss chocolate factories. The kosher company leases a factory for a few weeks, kashers the chocolate equipment, and makes a production run, and outputs enough stock for an entire season.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1763 on: August 15, 2017, 04:12:36 PM »
There aren't any kosher Swiss chocolate factories. The kosher company leases a factory for a few weeks, kashers the chocolate equipment, and makes a production run, and outputs enough stock for an entire season.
Thanks - any factories that have non CY chocolate? Or any worth going even without getting to taste?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1764 on: August 15, 2017, 04:13:27 PM »
Thanks - any factories that have non CY chocolate? Or any worth going even without getting to taste?

In Switzerland, non-CY=treif

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1765 on: August 15, 2017, 04:37:21 PM »
In Switzerland, non-CY=treif

There are kosher lists for Switzerland that include non-Cholov Yisroel.  See: http://www.icz.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Kaschrutliste_20170802.pdf

Note: The Swiss government's inspection of dairy facilities is rigorous. An entire factory was totally shut down because the government inspectors found a small leak in the bathroom.

Also, note the standards of Cholov Yisroel in Europe, might not be the same as in Israel and in the USA. -- In USA and Israel, any cow that has the Left Displaced Abomasum surgical procedure is removed from the cholov yisroel farm. Also, in Europe, milk comes from dozens of small private farms, not one large company, so the mashgichim are not necessarily present during the entire milking process but are roaming from farm to farm, making multiple brief visits.

Also with reference to Displaced Abomasum see:  http://yudelstake.blogspot.com/2016/07/cholov-stam-cholov-akum-cholov-treife.html

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1766 on: August 15, 2017, 07:00:06 PM »
You're there now? Send pics or TR, please.

Yes.

I'm usually too lazy for that. However, people can use it.
Saas-Fee is really amazing in every aspect.

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« Reply #1767 on: August 15, 2017, 08:57:09 PM »
Yes.

I'm usually too lazy for that. However, people can use it.
Saas-Fee is really amazing in every aspect.
At least a couple of pics? Please? :)

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« Reply #1768 on: August 15, 2017, 10:02:50 PM »
At least a couple of pics? Please? :)

There's a baby in them?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1769 on: August 16, 2017, 10:52:05 AM »
just came back from Saas Fee. Gorgeous! Have one Swiss Travel Pass Flexi & one Youth (same). Each have one day of unlimited travel. I was never asked for ID. Anyone have experience selling? Any buyers?